Real Finds Podcast: Commercial Real Estate Unfiltered
Real Finds Podcast: Commercial Real Estate Unfiltered

Real Finds Podcast: Commercial Real Estate Unfiltered

Gordon Lamphere

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Real estate is more than just what we can see, touch, taste, and smell. Real estate drives culture.The Real Finds Podcast connects global trends to real estate decisions across Chicago and the Midwest. Hosted by Gordon Lamphere, a fourth-generation commercial real estate broker at Van Vlissingen & Co., each weekly episode explores how macroeconomic shifts in supply chains, interest rates, automation, public policy, and culture drive commercial real estate outcomes. Moreover, Gordon and his guests take high-level insights and apply them to better understand high-transaction markets, including:Chicago (downtown office, adaptive reuse), Elk Grove and O’Hare (industrial/logistics), Kenosha (SE Wisconsin distribution), Oak Brook and Schaumburg (suburban office), Naperville and the I-88 Corridor (flex and R&D), Bolingbrook and the I-55 Corridor (warehouse/fulfillment), and the collar counties: Lake, DuPage, Will, Kane, and McHenry.Guests include developers, investors, operators, and public-sector leaders shaping the built environment across the Greater Chicagoland Area and the Globe.🎧 New episodes every Wednesday at 3 PM CT.Learn More About The Real Finds PodcastLearn About Our Commercial Real Estate Services, Commercial Real Estate Agents, & Team Of Property Managers.

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Commercial Real Estate Doomers, Gurus, & Industrial Opportunity With Chad Griffiths
JUN 3, 2026
Commercial Real Estate Doomers, Gurus, & Industrial Opportunity With Chad Griffiths
Industrial real estate looks remarkably similar whether you are in Edmonton, Dallas, or Chicago. On this episode of the Real Finds Podcast, Gordon Lamphere sits down with Chad Griffiths, MBA, SIOR, CCIM, a partner at NAI Commercial in Edmonton and host of The Industrial Real Estate Show, the most-watched industrial real estate podcast in the industry. Chad shares two decades of perspective on the Alberta market, the universal forces reshaping industrial demand, the power crisis facing every warehouse (not just data centers), and how to cut through the noise on real estate social media without selling your soul.We dig into the bifurcation of industrial users, the tension between last-mile delivery and community pushback, the cap rate documentary that revealed no two experts agree, and Chad's prediction for vertical, automated, ultra-high-clear warehouses over the next decade.Timestamps00:00 Cold open: nobody wants warehouses, now nobody wants data centers01:28 Welcome and introducing Chad Griffiths01:35 How Chad accidentally fell into industrial real estate03:18 Always be learning: the danger of thinking you know it all03:59 Inside the Alberta market: oil, gas, and the Texas comparison05:00 Edmonton's 160 million square feet and what makes a building universal06:32 The biggest universal trend: data centers and the power crisis08:00 Electrification of everything, from forklifts to retrieval systems09:20 Higher clear heights, more land, trailer storage09:40 Political instability, tariffs, labor, and deals that no longer pencil10:21 Warehouse and data center moratoriums: Deerfield, California, New York11:09 The last-mile tension: we want fast delivery but nobody wants the warehouse14:36 What it means for occupiers and investors: the rent-to-revenue calculus10:00 The coming bifurcation of industrial users17:40 Reading the cycle: upward pressure on rates and tightening availability18:02 Predicting unpredictability in a chaotic world20:01 Real estate meets social media: the two toxic extremes22:32 The guru-grifter problem and the doomsayer problem25:04 Telling the truth when doomerism gets the views27:23 The cap rate documentary: asking 12 experts, getting 12 answers30:18 Thirty-two ways to calculate a cap rate32:44 Real Finds Final Four: the topic we are not discussing enough34:47 What happens to data centers when we no longer need them35:53 Ten years out: distribution goes vertical37:33 Super-flat floors, power, and the engineering challenge40:08 One minute of advice: become an expert, build relationships42:53 Guest recommendation: Ron Rohde and the world of IOS44:23 Where to find ChadConnect with Chad GriffithsThe Industrial Real Estate Show: industrialize.comAvailable on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTubeX / Twitter: @ChadGriffithsNAI Commercial, EdmontonConnect with Van Vlissingen and Co.Website: https://www.vvco.comPhone: 847-846-6902Founded in 1879, Van Vlissingen and Co. is Chicagoland's oldest independent commercial real estate brokerage. Subscribe for more conversations with the people shaping commercial real estate.#IndustrialRealEstate #CommercialRealEstate #CRE #DataCenters #Warehouse #RealFindsPodcast #Logistics
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The Industrial Real Estate Risk Playbook With Daniel S. North
MAY 27, 2026
The Industrial Real Estate Risk Playbook With Daniel S. North
Episode 101 of The Real Finds Podcast features Daniel North, a partner in the Chicago office of Polsinelli, whose practice has built an accidental niche in industrial real estate that took off during COVID and has not slowed since. With over a billion dollars in national property deals behind him, Daniel walks through the legal mechanics of how today's industrial, data center, and multifamily transactions actually get done in a market defined by tariffs, supply chain volatility, geopolitical risk, and a power grid straining to keep up with demand.The conversation covers the rise of small bay industrial and how risk allocation has shifted as tenants prioritize speed, location, and stock turnover over raw size. Daniel traces the evolution of the force majeure clause from boilerplate background language ten years ago to a heavily negotiated business term that now gets fought over at the LOI stage, with detailed carve-outs for pandemics, government shutdowns, tariffs, and supply chain disruption. He draws the critical distinction between timing risk and pricing risk in supply chain delays, explains why contractors are increasingly unwilling to accept true guaranteed maximum price structures, and walks through the political dimension of data center development as communities raise concerns about water usage, electricity costs, and noise. Daniel also breaks down why data center deals run on wattage rather than square footage, how phasing allows gigawatt projects to align with utility capacity over multi-year buildouts, and the asset-specific legal strategies that matter most for industrial speed-to-market, multifamily financing contingencies, and student housing's calendar-driven delivery windows. He closes with what he believes is the most underappreciated story shaping commercial real estate: the power grid and the infrastructure constraints that will dictate where and when the next decade of development actually gets built.For owners, developers, and investors operating in the Chicagoland and Wisconsin industrial corridors, the legal frameworks Daniel discusses translate directly to deals across the I-55 corridor from Romeoville and Bolingbrook through Joliet, Elwood, and Wilmington, the I-80 markets in Channahon and Minooka, and the I-88 corridor running west through Aurora, Naperville, and Sugar Grove. The O'Hare submarket in Elk Grove Village, Bensenville, Itasca, Wood Dale, and Franklin Park continues to anchor last-mile distribution across DuPage County, while the I-90 corridor through Elgin, Hoffman Estates, Schaumburg, and Huntley supports large-format and small bay product alike. North of the city, Lake County industrial demand stretches through Waukegan, Gurnee, Mundelein, Libertyville, and Vernon Hills before crossing into southeastern Wisconsin, where Kenosha, Pleasant Prairie, Racine, Mount Pleasant, Sturtevant, Oak Creek, and the Milwaukee metro are absorbing reshoring activity, data center siting, and last-mile logistics buildout. Northwest Indiana submarkets including Hammond, Gary, Portage, and Merrillville round out the broader Chicagoland industrial footprint this episode speaks to directly.πŸ“ Blog: https://www.vvco.com/the-real-finds-blog πŸŽ™οΈ Podcast: The Real Finds Podcast πŸ“ž 847-634-2300 🌐 vvco.comVan Vlissingen and Co. has been the Midwest's oldest commercial real estate brokerage, development, and management firm since 1879.
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Hydrogen, Data Centers, And The End Of Energy Poverty With Whitaker Irvin Jr.
MAY 20, 2026
Hydrogen, Data Centers, And The End Of Energy Poverty With Whitaker Irvin Jr.
Welcome to episode 100 of the Real Finds Podcast. To mark the milestone, Gordon Lamphere sits down with Whitaker Irvin Jr., CEO of Q Hydrogen, the company commercializing a breakthrough hydrogen production technology and preparing to open one of the world's first economically viable renewable hydrogen power plants in Groveton, New Hampshire.The most common refrain across 100 episodes has been simple: we don't talk about energy and energy access enough. This conversation answers that directly. Whit walks through how hydrogen factors into the data center power crisis, why five-to-seven-year grid interconnect queues are reshaping site selection, and what plentiful behind-the-meter clean energy could mean for industrial development, co-located users, and the global economy.If you're in energy, data centers, industrial site selection, or capital markets touching infrastructure, this is a must-listen.Timestamps 00:00 β€” Intro: 100 episodes and the energy access problem 01:33 β€” Whit's path from aerospace and finance into the family business 02:23 β€” Why hydrogen, and the accidental 2008 discovery behind Q Hydrogen 04:17 β€” What makes hydrogen valuable: mobility, chemicals, and power 06:21 β€” Hydrogen and the data center boom 08:29 β€” Infrastructure needed to run hydrogen as a power source 10:30 β€” Behind-the-meter power in Groveton, NH 12:48 β€” Storage and volatility: why conventional hydrogen is expensive 15:26 β€” Grid interconnect queues and how hydrogen reshapes site selection 18:21 β€” Repurposing idle assets, including old coal plants 20:23 β€” How Wall Street and London see hydrogen 22:00 β€” Green, blue, and the financial math of incentives 24:38 β€” What we're not talking about enough 27:22 β€” AI, the trades, and the human aspect of the next economy 27:56 β€” What a positive energy future looks like in 10 years 30:02 β€” Career advice: don't be so quick to judge 32:38 β€” Next guest: Gabe Tishman 33:07 β€” How to reach WhitConnect with Whitaker Irvin Jr. Email: [email protected] Company: Q Hydrogen β€” https://qhydrogen.comAbout the Real Finds PodcastThe Real Finds Podcast features real conversations with the entrepreneurs, activists, and researchers shaping the real estate industry and the world around it. Hosted by Gordon Lamphere of Van Vlissingen and Co., Chicagoland's oldest private commercial real estate brokerage. Subscribe, like, and review β€” your feedback helps us bring on more guests of this caliber.Learn more about Van Vlissingen and Co.: https://vvco.comHave a site selection, industrial, or investment question? Call us at 847-846-6902.#RealFindsPodcast #Hydrogen #QHydrogen #CleanEnergy #DataCenters #EnergyTransition #IndustrialRealEstate #SiteSelection #BehindTheMeter #GridInterconnect #RenewableEnergy #CommercialRealEstate #VanVlissingen
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34 MIN
How Regional Brokers Beat The National Flags With Kurt & Stewart Jensen
MAY 13, 2026
How Regional Brokers Beat The National Flags With Kurt & Stewart Jensen
On this episode of the Real Finds Podcast, Gordon Lamphere sits down with Kurt and Stewart Jensen, SIORs and industrial brokers at Kessinger Hunter & Company in Kansas City. Two thirds of the legendary Jensen team, Kurt and Stewart bring a practitioner's view of the Midwest industrial market and the case for regional expertise in a globalized brokerage world.We dig into what's actually happening on the ground in Kansas City industrial: where demand is strongest in the 20,000 to 100,000 square foot bracket, why tenant improvement allowances have ballooned from a buck or two per foot to as much as ten, and how manufacturing, fabrication, and data center adjacent occupiers are driving real space needs. The Jensens also walk through Kansas City's unique cold storage dynamic with its subgrade limestone cave inventory, why power is the new sexy utility, and how IOS plays out differently in KC than in Chicagoland.We close on liquidity, lender optimism, the geopolitical drag on deal pace, and the question every broker is asking: what does the next ten years look like with AI in the mix.TIMESTAMPS00:00 Cold open00:41 Intro01:42 The Jensen family business and getting into industrial02:55 Regional brokers vs national flags and the SIOR network08:27 Kansas City industrial market overview11:47 Tenant optionality and lease term dynamics15:27 Who is leasing right now: manufacturers, fabricators, data center adjacent18:52 Power demand and the new value of heavy power buildings24:11 Cold storage and Kansas City's limestone cave inventory31:32 IOS in Kansas City vs Chicagoland36:00 Capital, liquidity, and lender sentiment42:12 Concessions, free rent, and the optionality premium48:06 Ten years out: AI, relationships, and the future of brokerage53:22 Advice for brokers under 3058:21 Who Gordon should have on next1:00:31 How to reach Kurt and StewartCONNECT WITH KURT AND STEWART JENSENKessinger Hunter & Company, Kansas CityKurt Jensen: [email protected] Jensen: [email protected] podcast: On Air with Kessinger HunterCONNECT WITH GORDON LAMPHERE AND VAN VLISSINGEN AND CO.Van Vlissingen and Co. is Chicagoland's oldest private commercial real estate brokerage, serving the Greater Chicago and Midwest industrial and commercial markets.Website: https://vvco.comPhone: 847-846-6902If you enjoyed this episode, please like, follow, and leave a five star review. Your comments, interactions, and subscriptions help us continue to bring on quality guests. Find the Real Finds Podcast on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.#RealFindsPodcast #CommercialRealEstate #IndustrialRealEstate #KansasCity #CRE #SIOR #MidwestIndustrial #IndustrialBrokerage #ColdStorage #DataCenters #IOS #VanVlissingen #Chicagoland #RealEstateInvesting
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62 MIN
Brownfields to Billions: The Hidden CRE Opportunity With Sam Haydock
MAY 6, 2026
Brownfields to Billions: The Hidden CRE Opportunity With Sam Haydock
Brownfields, abandoned industrial and commercial properties sitting idle across America's cities and suburbs represent some of the most undervalued opportunities in commercial real estate. But unlocking that value requires navigating a maze of environmental due diligence, contamination risk, and government incentive programs that most investors don't fully understand.On this episode of the Real Finds Podcast, Gordon Lamphere sits down with Sam Haydock, Principal and Director of Business Development at BL Companies, to break down how developers and investors can turn contaminated, overlooked properties into productive, tax-generating assets. With over 35 years of experience in environmental and land-use consulting, Sam walks us through what actually qualifies as a brownfield, how to structure due diligence on a contaminated site, the hidden costs of PCBs and asbestos in older buildings, and why public grant programs in Connecticut and across the U.S. have generated $23 in private investment for every $1 spent.They also dig into the emerging debate over whether brownfields should be converted to residential use or preserved for the industrial and manufacturing jobs that communities still need.Topics Covered: - What qualifies as a brownfield vs. a grayfield - Environmental due diligence: soil, groundwater, asbestos, lead, and PCBs - Industrial-to-multifamily and office-to-residential conversions - Federal and state funding sources - Why some brownfields sit idle for decades (and how to fix that) - The future of brownfield redevelopment and AI's role in CREConnect with Sam Haydock: Email: [email protected] Cell: 203-314-7369 Connect with Van Vlissingen and Co.: Website: https://www.vvco.com Phone: 847-846-6902If you found this episode valuable, please leave us a five-star rating and review it helps us keep bringing on guests like Sam. Subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.Looking for your next redevelopment opportunity? Van Vlissingen and Co.'s is a Chicago Metro Area leader in identifying and sourcing industrial and commercial sites across Chicagoland and the Midwest including brownfield and value-add properties with redevelopment potential. Reach out at vvco.com or call 847-846-6902.#BrownfieldDevelopment #CommercialRealEstate #RealEstate #RealFindsRealEstate #CRE #RealEstateInvesting #EnvironmentalConsulting #RealFindsPodcast
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38 MIN