除你武器
除你武器

除你武器

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《除你武器》是两个总是在交锋的好朋友的播客节目,迎接分歧和差异,分享Z世代的困惑种种。如果成长是一场战争,至少在面对彼此时,我们放下武器,赤诚相见。

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071|和于祥宇聊聊,我们成为自己想成为的大人了吗
NOV 18, 2025
071|和于祥宇聊聊,我们成为自己想成为的大人了吗
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>【本期节目为视频播客录制,因现场收音产生的音质问题向大家致歉,感谢大家的理解和包涵】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>赞美羞耻、休息羞耻、冒充者综合征</span><span>……</span><span>东亚小孩可以说是五毒俱全了!</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>本期我们迎来了一位新朋友:脱口秀演员于祥宇,一起来聊了聊:为什么我们明明已经挺好了,却总是对自己不够满意?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>小吴学生时代总考第一名,可是他更羡慕的,是那个能为自己真心实意高兴的第二名;</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>shiyu</span><span>发现,就算在玩的时候,她也没办法完全放松。一旦放松,她就会有</span><span>“</span><span>我不配</span><span>”</span><span>的罪恶感;</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>连续参加两届脱口秀综艺后,祥子收获了很多人的喜欢。可是面对赞美,他的第一反应还是身体往回缩,并且会立刻想到:未来的自己还能做得更好吗?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>我们仿佛陷入了一个</span><span>“</span><span>高成就者怪圈</span><span>”</span><span>:我们的快乐和自我认可,总是要和成就高度绑定,却忘记自己到底想要的是什么。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>当我们回望童年,聊起那个经典的问题:</span><span>“</span><span>我最想成为的人</span><span>”</span><span>,我们发现,小时候的梦想,和成就无关,和与他人的比较无关。兜兜转转,我们好像还是流向了属于自己的命运。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>即便还没有成为一百分的自己,我们也可以对自己说一句:你已经做得足够好了。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>感谢小红书提供的录制支持,本期节目的视频版已在小红书发布,欢迎大家前往除你武器播客官方账号或小吴、</span><span>shiyu</span><span>的小红书账号观看哦。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期主播】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>小吴:媒体人,怎么又要给自己打分了(微博</span><span>@</span><span>吴可奉告</span><span>_</span><span>小红书</span><span>@</span><span>吴呈杰</span><span>Jeff</span><span>)</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>shiyu</span><span>:媒体人,决定从今天开始对自己满意(微博</span><span>@-</span><span>冷水鱼</span><span>小红书</span><span>@</span><span>冷水鱼</span><span>)</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期嘉宾】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>于祥宇:脱口秀演员(微博</span><span>/</span><span>小红书</span><span>@</span><span>于祥宇祥子的祥)</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期要点】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:29 </span><span>于祥宇给自己打多少分</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>04:31 </span><span>我人生的驱动力,是对自己永不满意</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>05:57 </span><span>谁不想成为爆玩爆工作的人</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>10:47 </span><span>赞美是对过去的肯定,不能缓解未来的焦虑</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>17:27 </span><span>有人拼命做题,也比不过一句</span><span>“</span><span>显然可得</span><span>”</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>17:55 </span><span>承认自己能力的上限,是一种天赋</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>21:17 </span><span>成就可以填补内心的空洞吗</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>23:03 </span><span>大学一年级,发现我不知道自己想要的是什么东西</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>24:33 </span><span>想用休学找到的答案,现在找到了吗</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>26:55 </span><span>同龄人都在的那辆列车,我再也赶不上了</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>31:23 </span><span>人不在</span><span>3</span><span>岁叛逆,就会在</span><span>30</span><span>岁叛逆</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>35:15 </span><span>哲学不提供答案,但是是一种思维的武装</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>43:27 </span><span>你愿意创作全世界最好的作品,但没有人会看到吗</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>45:53 </span><span>人如何克服想要被看见、被理解的欲望</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>48:29 </span><span>我们成为自己想成为的大人了吗</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>53:56 </span><span>人总会流向属于自己的命运</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:01:00 </span><span>只有做好一件事才配快乐吗</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:05:57 </span><span>只要做自己想做的事,就会一直做自己想做的事</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期提到】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《喜剧之王单口季》第二季</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《奥本海默》</span> <span>克里斯托弗</span><span>·</span><span>诺兰、凯</span><span>·</span><span>伯德、马丁</span><span>·</span><span>舍温</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《夜晚的潜水艇》陈春成</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>� All music credits to</span><span>:</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>片头:安九</span><span>—</span><span>老王乐队</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>片尾:</span><span>Angel Youth—Vansire</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>️</span><span>【本期剪辑】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>粒子:正在练习成为一棵树</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" 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070|恋爱还是得看别人谈
NOV 6, 2025
070|恋爱还是得看别人谈
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>求一双从没看过《换乘恋爱》《恋爱兄妹》《心动的信号》《单身即地狱》《再见爱人》的眼睛!</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>身为恋综十级学者,今天我们终于来聊恋综了!小吴看遍国内外的十余档恋综,梦想着有朝一日能去当恋综观察室嘉宾;</span><span>shiyu</span><span>唯爱恋综中的</span><span>BE</span><span>美学,也曾靠看《换乘恋爱》走出失恋阴影。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>恋综投射了我们对浪漫爱的想象,也制造了极端情境下人性的深渊;我们嗑生嗑死,也以恋综为镜,更好地认识了自己。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>但与此同时,我们也有不少困惑:人真的可以在这么短时间内就疯狂上头吗?怎么做到在镜头面前暴露如此私人的情感?爱是可以经受人为的不断考验吗?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>真实的爱包含着犹豫和混沌,真实的关系在性缘之外,还有更广阔的天地。我们从恋综中学到过很多,也看到了它的局限。人生并不是一场综艺,走出心动小屋,最终我们还是要回到真实的生活里。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期主播】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>小吴:媒体人,苦等换乘</span><span>4</span><span>更新中(微博</span><span>@</span><span>吴可奉告</span><span>_</span><span>小红书</span><span>@</span><span>吴呈杰</span><span>Jeff</span><span>)</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>shiyu</span><span>:媒体人,不要爱上金贤佑,直接成为金贤佑(微博</span><span>@-</span><span>冷水鱼</span><span>小红书</span><span>@</span><span>冷水鱼</span><span>)</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期要点】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>03:54 </span><span>如果邀请你,你会上恋综吗</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>05:07 </span><span>被恶剪是恋综嘉宾的宿命</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>08:51 </span><span>恋综什么人设最吃香?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>12:46 </span><span>最受欢迎的人时没有讨好感的人</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>19:01 </span><span>恋综上有合约情侣吗?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>21:29 </span><span>女嘉宾要么是你的样子,要么是你想成为的样子</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>27:04 </span><span>看似纯爱,实则是人性的深渊</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>33:25 </span><span>做题家看恋综,总想学到点什么</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>39:02 </span><span>恋综是属于成年人的小时代</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>42:14 </span><span>只有漂亮的人才配谈恋爱吗</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>48:06 </span><span>看再见爱人的人,劝分的多还是劝和的多</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>54:34 </span><span>镜头注视下的爱,是真的爱吗</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:04:30 </span><span>恋综是恋,也是综</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:07:26 </span><span>人可以在几个星期里就产生真爱吗</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:09:25 </span><span>是爱情,还是胜负欲和自尊心?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:12:29 </span><span>爱情是应该被不断考验的吗</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:16:55 </span><span>世界上不是只有性缘关系的爱</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期提到】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《换乘恋爱》</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《恋爱兄妹》</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《</span><span>Heart Signal</span><span>》</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《心动的信号》</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《单身即地狱》</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《母胎单身恋爱大作战》</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《再见爱人》</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《傲慢与偏见》</span> <span>简</span><span>·</span><span>奥斯汀</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>� All music credits to</span><span>:</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>片头:</span><span>Sun or Suck—</span><span>《换乘恋爱》片头曲</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>片尾:心动的信号</span><span>—</span><span>宋茜</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>️</span><span>【本期剪辑】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>小舟:一个可爱的宝宝,梦想变成萨摩耶</span></p><p 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069|Taylor Swift,再见容易,再见很难
OCT 28, 2025
069|Taylor Swift,再见容易,再见很难
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>在发布新专辑《</span><span>The life of a showgirl</span><span>》之后,</span><span>Taylor Swift</span><span>再一次站上风口浪尖。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>在我们的生命中,</span><span>Taylor Swift</span><span>都留下过不可磨灭的印记。</span><span>shiyu</span><span>青春期时在卧室门口贴着</span><span>Taylor</span><span>的大幅海报,</span> <span>至今仍能完整跟唱《</span><span>Fearless</span><span>》和《</span><span>Speak Now</span><span>》中的每一首歌;小吴则是十五年的资深霉粉,斥巨资看过</span><span>1989</span><span>巡回演唱会,也在</span><span>Taylor</span><span>声名陷入低谷时坚定维护她。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>如同</span><span>“</span><span>时代巡演</span><span>”</span><span>这个称谓,作为如今全世界最受欢迎的流行巨星,</span><span>Taylor Swift</span><span>身上承载了好几个时代:从乡村民谣,到流行化转型,再到更加多元的风格探索;从美国甜心,到</span><span>“</span><span>蛇蝎女郎</span><span>”</span><span>,再到复仇女神;从远离政治,到第一次公开表明政治立场,支持女性和性少数权益。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>Taylor Swift</span><span>陪伴我们从小学,到中学,大学,再到</span><span>20</span><span>代的最后几年。我们自己也经历了好几个时代</span><span>——</span><span>在有些阶段,我们和</span><span>Taylor</span><span>的自我深深共振;在另一些阶段,我们都在长大,却不是在以同一种方式长大。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>这也能够解答,当我们听到</span><span>Taylor</span><span>订婚、以及发布新专后的复杂感受。我们无意评价谁对谁错,而是想要探讨,在这种复杂感受背后,我们如何看待</span><span>Taylor</span><span>曾经在我们生命中扮演的角色?如何理解偶像身上的多面性?如何接受每个人身上都会发生的成长和变化?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>这就是我们和</span><span>Taylor Swift</span><span>的故事:我们相遇,走散,也重逢。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期主播】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>小吴:媒体人,</span><span>You're On Your Own, Kid</span><span>(微博</span><span>@</span><span>吴可奉告</span><span>_</span><span>小红书</span><span>@</span><span>吴呈杰</span><span>Jeff</span><span>)</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>shiyu</span><span>:媒体人,</span><span>I go back to December all the time</span><span>(微博</span><span>@-</span><span>冷水鱼</span><span>小红书</span><span>@</span><span>冷水鱼</span><span>)</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期要点】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>02:48 </span><span>时代在变,我们在变,</span><span>Taylor Swift</span><span>也在变</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>04:23 MP3</span><span>里下载的第一首,是谁的歌?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>06:17 </span><span>谁和英语老师争论过</span><span>You Belong With Me </span><span>的语法</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>07:36 </span><span>那时我还不知道,边缘女孩是她,啦啦队长也是她</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>15:51 </span><span>一个罗密欧和朱丽叶还行得通的时代</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>19:52 </span><span>从哪天开始,大家都爱上了我的小众偶像?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>23:29 snake</span><span>事件,与成为美强惨的霉霉</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>30:54 </span><span>霉霉的自我觉醒,与我们的自我觉醒</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>35:25 </span><span>当偶像成为红人,为什么我却想要离场?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>38:12 </span><span>自信强大的她,脆弱伤感的她,哪一个是真正的她</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>47:12 </span><span>霉霉的变化,和社会文化思潮的转向</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>52:43 </span><span>为什么我们可以接受</span><span>Love Story</span><span>,却需要讨论</span><span>The Fate ofOphelia</span><span>?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:02:03 </span><span>承认脆弱代表反身性,反身性则指向主体性</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:07:16 </span><span>一千个面的偶像,总有一面会与我们离散</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:12:56 </span><span>偶像真正教会我们的是忠于自己</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:16:37 </span><span>分歧的出现,意味着看到真正的彼此</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期提到】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《暮光之城》</span> <span>凯瑟琳</span><span>·</span><span>哈德威克</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《美利坚女士》</span> <span>拉娜</span><span>·</span><span>威尔森</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《泰勒</span><span>·</span><span>斯威夫特:时代巡回演唱会》</span> <span>萨姆</span><span>·</span><span>伦奇</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《美丽的世界,你在哪里》</span> <span>萨莉</span><span>·</span><span>鲁尼</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>� All music credits to</span><span>:</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>片头:</span><span>The Fate of Ophelia— Taylor Swift</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>片尾:</span><span>Back to December—Taylor Swift</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>️</span><span>【本期剪辑】</span></p><p 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068|对话吴向东:听说冠军也换过赛道,我就放心了
OCT 15, 2025
068|对话吴向东:听说冠军也换过赛道,我就放心了
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>爱上运动第一步:先和运动员录一期节目!</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>本期我们很荣幸邀请到了顶尖马拉松运动员吴向东,在巴黎奥运会上,他刷新了中国马拉松选手参加综合性世界大赛的最佳成绩。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>吴向东可以被视为一种</span><span>“</span><span>马拉松精神</span><span>”</span><span>的代言人</span><span>——</span><span>在长跑中,人需要克服体力和意志的极点。而吴向东不仅能迈过极点,他还擅长在后半程发力,靠着在最后冲刺拿下比赛。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>纵观吴向东的职业生涯,他也曾面临过</span><span>“</span><span>极点</span><span>”</span><span>并迈了过去:在运动员黄金年龄的</span><span>27</span><span>岁,他尚不能跑进</span><span>“220”</span><span>;但等到</span><span>32</span><span>岁,他已能跑出</span><span>“208”</span><span>。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>《像运动员一样思考》中曾提到:顶尖远动员有一个装满</span><span>“</span><span>心理技巧</span><span>”</span><span>的工具箱,知道在面对训练和比赛中的困境时使用哪个工具能让自己游刃有余。我们好奇,对于吴向东来说,当他面对极点时,他在想些什么,又是如何让自己坚持到最后?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>进一步地,我们好奇:在他未能取得突破进展的职业生涯前期,他如何度过这段时间,说服自己</span><span>“</span><span>这是我要做的事</span><span>”</span><span>?如何从运动和这份职业中收获乐趣?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>人生就是这样一场马拉松,而吴向东的经历告诉我们,运动是让有限的人类去面对无限。不是每一次努力都有结果,但每一步都算数。这也正是</span><span>NIKE"Just Do It"</span><span>想要传递的理念:</span><a><span>“</span></a><span>不试试看,哪来胜算</span><span>”</span><span>。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3569-audiofreehighqps/88/DC/GKwRIJEMxDyzAAMixAQia_fl.png!op_type=4&amp;device_type=ios&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3569-audiofreehighqps/88/DC/GKwRIJEMxDyzAAMixAQia_fl.png?op_type=0" data-large="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3569-audiofreehighqps/88/DC/GKwRIJEMxDyzAAMixAQia_fl.png!op_type=4&amp;device_type=ios&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;name=mobile_large" data-large-width="750" data-large-height="1000" data-preview="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/3569-audiofreehighqps/88/DC/GKwRIJEMxDyzAAMixAQia_fl.png!op_type=4&amp;device_type=ios&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;name=mobile_small" data-preview-width="140" data-preview-height="186.66666666666666"><br></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期主播】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>小吴:媒体人,像运动员一样思考(微博</span><span>@</span><span>吴可奉告</span><span>_</span><span>小红书</span><span>@</span><span>吴呈杰</span><span>Jeff</span><span>)</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>shiyu</span><span>:媒体人,像运动员一样睡觉(微博</span><span>@-</span><span>冷水鱼</span><span>小红书</span><span>@</span><span>冷水鱼</span><span>)</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>��</span><span>【本期嘉宾】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>吴向东:耐克签约运动员,现役中国男子田径马拉松运动员</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期要点】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>00:53</span><span>世界上真的有人在享受运动吗?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:57</span><span>一头撞上玻璃门后,成为那个全国冠军</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>05:08</span><span>像运动员一样生活:吃饭,运动,吃饭</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>06:59</span><span>对职业跑者来说,跑步也是枯燥的吗?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>08:00</span><span>一个人跑和一群人跑是不同的</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>12:11</span><span>跑马拉松是无数个反人性的瞬间</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>16:09</span><span>长跑是执行计划,也是对抗意外</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>20:03</span><span>没有正反馈的五年,为什么没有放弃</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>22:51</span><span>真正喜欢做的事,用不上</span><span>“</span><span>坚持</span><span>”</span><span>这个词</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>27:19</span><span>克服极点的方式,是接受自己无法克服</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>32:33</span><span>失败不是否定,只是揭示当下的状态</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>37:22</span><span>做成一件事,有可控的部分,也有不可控的部分</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>39:25</span><span>做不好一件事,那就换一件做</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>45:45</span><span>运动员总是很贪心的</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>46:15</span><span>运动是让有限的人类去面对无限</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>53:21</span><span>不是最高、最快、最强,而是更高、更快、更强</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期提到】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《像运动员一样思考:如何将不可能变为可能》</span> <span>诺埃尔</span><span>·</span><span>布瑞克</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《当我谈跑步时,我谈些什么》</span> <span>村上春树</span></p><p 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067|对话舒淇:做导演,开心吗?
SEP 26, 2025
067|对话舒淇:做导演,开心吗?
<p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>恭喜舒淇获第</span><span>30</span><span>届釜山电影节最佳导演!</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>除你武器迎来了我们都非常喜欢的舒淇女士</span><span>——</span><span>这次,她的身份不是演员,而是导演。自威尼斯电影节、多伦多电影节之后,舒淇凭借自编自导的《女孩》,再次入围釜山电影节主竞赛单元,并一举夺下最佳导演,成为首位获此殊荣的华人女导演。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>五天前,《女孩》的釜山首映之后,在舒淇下榻的酒店会议室,小吴和舒淇展开了这场对话。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>《女孩》取材自舒淇的亲身经历,舒淇原名林立慧,《女孩》里的女孩则叫林小丽。林立慧和林小丽,都有一个家暴的父亲,一个冷漠的母亲,和一个没有色彩的童年。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>父亲是这个家庭最大的施害者,但在电影中反倒像个</span><span>“</span><span>不太重要</span><span>”</span><span>的影子。舒淇说,这个故事她酝酿了十几年,中间一度停笔数年,直到把重心落在母女命运纠葛,她觉得这个故事终于成立了。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>舒淇讲起她年轻的时候出车祸,满身是伤躺在医院,母亲来看她,第一句话却是骂她</span><span>“</span><span>活该</span><span>”</span><span>。可后来她又听守在门口的朋友说,母亲其实在走廊里哭了很久。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>舒淇说,拍《女孩》让她真正理解了自己的母亲。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>20</span><span>年前,蔡康永在《康熙来了》上问舒淇:做演员开心吗?她那时候刚拍完《最好的时光》,无法从角色中走出来,被问到时哭到节目中断。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>釜山对谈的一个半小时里,舒淇哭了三次,一次说到童年,一次说到母亲,还有一次是说到侯孝贤。她记得那些创伤,也记得那些情深意重的段落。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>小吴问舒淇:做导演,开心吗?</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>这次她没有哭,坚定地回答:我已经想好下一个故事了。</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期主播】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>小吴:媒体人,守护全世界最好的舒淇(微博</span><span>@</span><span>吴可奉告</span><span>_</span><span>小红书</span><span>@</span><span>吴呈杰</span><span>Jeff</span><span>)</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>��</span><span>【本期嘉宾】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>舒淇:演员、导演</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期要点】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>00:45 </span><span>舒淇和除你武器全体听众打招呼了!</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>03:17 </span><span>回望童年是一件需要勇气的事</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>06:06 </span><span>直到拍了《女孩》,我才第一次理解母亲</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>07:19 </span><span>每个女人曾经都是女孩</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>09:00 </span><span>母亲厌恶女儿,其实是厌恶自己</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>11:16 </span><span>不是每个被家暴的妻子,都有机会出走</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>12:37 </span><span>小时候我也会问:妈,你为什么不和我爸离婚</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>16:26 </span><span>母亲永远不会回应我的质问</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>22:03 </span><span>妈妈既是受害者,又是加害我的人</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>30:43 </span><span>告诉自己绝对不能哭,电影落幕那一刻我还是哭了</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>34:02 </span><span>《女孩》是我对侯孝贤的承诺</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>38:47 </span><span>在片场没时间发脾气,我总是先解决问题</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>43:45 </span><span>侯孝贤太了解我,我也太了解他</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>44:27 </span><span>《刺客聂隐娘》治好了我的恐高</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>48:20</span><span>邱泽一滴酒没喝,却仿佛能闻到他身上的酒味</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>54:41 </span><span>每个女孩都曾幻想过一个并不存在的朋友</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>57:41 </span><span>我不想正面拍摄家暴镜头,因为更深的创伤看不见</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>59:49 </span><span>没有真正的和解,和创伤共处就很了不起</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>01:05:25 </span><span>不知道做导演开不开心,但我已经想好下一个故事了</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【本期提到】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《女孩》</span> <span>舒淇</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《童年往事》</span> <span>侯孝贤、朱天文</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《千禧曼波》</span> <span>侯孝贤、朱天文</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《最好的时光》</span> <span>侯孝贤、朱天文</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《刺客聂隐娘》</span> <span>侯孝贤、阿城、朱天文、谢海盟</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《煮海时光:侯孝贤的光影记忆》</span> <span>白睿文、朱天文</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《回魂计》</span> <span>陈正道、许肇任、沈洋、易帅捷、罗晓睿</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>l</span><span>《康熙来了》</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>� All music credits to</span><span>:</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>片头:一生所爱(电影《西游</span><span>·</span><span>降魔篇》主题曲)</span><span> — </span><span>舒淇</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>片尾:再见(电影《精武风云</span><span>·</span><span>陈真》片尾主题曲)</span><span> — </span><span>舒淇</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>�</span><span>【彩蛋】</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><span>送上一张和舒淇女士的绝美自拍</span><span>��</span></p><p style="color:#333333;font-weight:normal;font-size:16px;line-height:30px;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;hyphens:auto;text-align:justify;" data-flag="normal"><img data-key="0" src="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/bcb2-audiofreehighqps/85/52/GAqh_aQMrGonAALJAAQXldvp.jpg!op_type=4&amp;device_type=ios&amp;upload_type=attachment&amp;name=mobile_large" alt="" data-origin="http://imagev2.xmcdn.com/storages/bcb2-audiofreehighqps/85/52/GAqh_aQMrGonAALJAAQXldvp.jpg?op_type=0" 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