Jean and Alison have a wonderful conversation about resilience and healing with John Tsilimparis, MFT, about his book - "The Magic in the Tragic: Rewriting the Script on Grief and Discovering Happiness in Our Darkest Days." John is a distinguished psychotherapist, mental health consultant, writer, podcast host, and former adjunct professor at Pepperdine University and UCLA. He is also the author of "Retrain Your Anxious Brain." Learn more: johntsilimparis.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices