<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2144286/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a>In this special throwback episode, Ron and Kristin expose how manipulation operates in everyday workplaces — from charm tactics to control games — and how leaders can spot the warning signs.Highlights:<ul><li>The Dark Triad at work: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy.</li><li>How confidence can blur into control.</li><li>Creating psychological safety to shut down manipulation.</li><li>The power of self-awareness — knowing your own shadow.</li></ul>Dirty Lesson: The most dangerous manipulator isn’t in the boardroom — it’s the one in your blind spot.4Ward Reflection: Leadership isn’t about avoiding darkness; it’s about mastering awareness — in others and yourself.Sources:<ul><li>Paulhus &amp; Williams (2002), Journal of Research in Personality — The Dark Triad.</li><li>Harvard Business Review (2018), The Toxic Handler: Organizational Hero — and Casualty.</li><li>Amy Edmondson, The Fearless Organization (2019) — Psychological Safety in the Workplace.</li></ul>Co-hosts: Ron Ward and Kristin Sokoloff Sponsor: 4Ward Operations Producer: Stephen Ridley Facebook Group Administrator: Cassy Roop Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron&apos;s best selling book, &quot;The Dirty Side of Leadership&quot;. Connect with us at 4wardoperations.comConnect with us at 4wardoperations.com

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2144286/fan_mail/new"&gt;Send us Fan Mail&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this special throwback episode, Ron and Kristin expose how manipulation operates in everyday workplaces — from charm tactics to control games — and how leaders can spot the warning signs.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Highlights:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;The &lt;em&gt;Dark Triad&lt;/em&gt; at work: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How confidence can blur into control.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Creating &lt;em&gt;psychological safety&lt;/em&gt; to shut down manipulation.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The power of &lt;em&gt;self-awareness&lt;/em&gt; — knowing your own shadow.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Dirty Lesson:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The most dangerous manipulator isn’t in the boardroom — it’s the one in your blind spot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;4Ward Reflection:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Leadership isn’t about avoiding darkness; it’s about mastering awareness — in others and yourself.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Sources:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Paulhus &amp;amp; Williams (2002), &lt;em&gt;Journal of Research in Personality&lt;/em&gt; — The Dark Triad.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Harvard Business Review (2018), &lt;em&gt;The Toxic Handler: Organizational Hero — and Casualty.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Amy Edmondson, &lt;em&gt;The Fearless Organization&lt;/em&gt; (2019) — Psychological Safety in the Workplace.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;Co-hosts: Ron Ward and Kristin Sokoloff&lt;br/&gt;Sponsor: 4Ward Operations&lt;br/&gt;Producer: Stephen Ridley&lt;br/&gt;Facebook Group Administrator: Cassy Roop&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron&amp;apos;s best selling book, &amp;quot;The Dirty Side of Leadership&amp;quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Send us Fan Mail In this special throwback episode, Ron and Kristin expose how manipulation operates in everyday workplaces — from charm tactics to control games — and how leaders can spot the warning signs. Highlights: The Dark Triad at work: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy.How confidence can blur into control.Creating psychological safety to shut down manipulation.The power of self-awareness — knowing your own shadow.Dirty Lesson: The most dangerous manipulator isn’t in the boardr...

Dark Psychology at Work: How Manipulation Hides in Plain Sight | Throwback Episode

<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2144286/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a>In this episode, Ron and Kristin sit down with returning guest Colonel CJ Williams to break down the rapidly escalating tensions with Iran. CJ provides a clear, strategic lens on what’s happening, why it matters, and how global conflict connects directly to everyday life. Key Topics:<ul><li>Current Situation: Rising tensions, targeted strikes, and growing focus on the Strait of Hormuz as a critical global choke point.</li><li>How We Got Here: Years of nuclear concerns and proxy conflicts escalated into direct military exchanges.</li><li>Military Strategy &amp; Precision: Modern warfare relies on intelligence-driven precision strikes—targeting key assets while attempting to control escalation.</li><li>Iran’s Response: Decentralized operations, mobile systems, and proxy forces make them difficult to neutralize.</li><li>Global Impact: Disruption in the Strait of Hormuz could spike oil prices and trigger worldwide economic consequences.</li><li>Best vs. Worst Case Scenarios:<ul><li>Best Case: Contained conflict and negotiated de-escalation</li><li>Worst Case: Regional war, global trade disruption, and economic shock</li></ul></li><li>Leadership Under Pressure: Effective leaders rely on discipline, training, and strategic thinking—not emotion—when navigating uncertainty. </li></ul>What to Watch (Next 30–60 Days):<ul><li>Stability of shipping lanes (especially Hormuz)</li><li>Regional escalation or restraint</li><li>International involvement</li></ul>Key Takeaway: Precision may reduce risk—but in modern conflict, one miscalculation can still trigger global consequences. Leadership in these moments is defined by the ability to think clearly under pressure. CJ&apos;s bio: Colonel Williams is originally from Port Huron, Michigan. He served as an infantryman on active duty in the Marine Corps for 32 years from 1989 to 2021, commanding at every level from platoon to regiment. He deployed to combat several times including Somalia, Afghanistan (x2), and Iraq(x2). His last assignment was as the Chief of Staff of Parris Island when he retired to the tri-county area of Charleston, SC and now serves as the Director of the SC Veterans Business Outreach Center, The Tommy &amp;amp; Victoria Baker School of Business at The Citadel assisting Veterans and their Spouses who want to start or grow a business. He also serves on the Board of Directors for five separate not-for-profit organizations in the Charleston area. Within these organizations he represents veteran issues and teaches leadership, ethics, and self-employment to help reduce recidivism, mentor at-risk veterans, and foster economic vibrancy in the Charleston Area. He holds a master’s degree in National Security Studies from the Naval War College and an undergraduate degree in Finance from Western Michigan University. Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron&apos;s best selling book, &quot;The Dirty Side of Leadership&quot;. Connect with us at 4wardoperations.comConnect with us at 4wardoperations.com

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2144286/fan_mail/new"&gt;Send us Fan Mail&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this episode, Ron and Kristin sit down with returning guest Colonel CJ Williams to break down the rapidly escalating tensions with Iran. CJ provides a clear, strategic lens on what’s happening, why it matters, and how global conflict connects directly to everyday life.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Key Topics:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Current Situation:&lt;/b&gt; Rising tensions, targeted strikes, and growing focus on the Strait of Hormuz as a critical global choke point.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;How We Got Here:&lt;/b&gt; Years of nuclear concerns and proxy conflicts escalated into direct military exchanges.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Military Strategy &amp;amp; Precision: &lt;/b&gt;Modern warfare relies on intelligence-driven precision strikes—targeting key assets while attempting to control escalation.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Iran’s Response: &lt;/b&gt;Decentralized operations, mobile systems, and proxy forces make them difficult to neutralize.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Global Impact: &lt;/b&gt;Disruption in the Strait of Hormuz could spike oil prices and trigger worldwide economic consequences.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Best vs. Worst Case Scenarios:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Best Case:&lt;/em&gt; Contained conflict and negotiated de-escalation&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;Worst Case:&lt;/em&gt;&lt;b&gt; &lt;/b&gt;Regional war, global trade disruption, and economic shock&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;b&gt;Leadership Under Pressure: &lt;/b&gt;Effective leaders rely on discipline, training, and strategic thinking—not emotion—when navigating uncertainty.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;What to Watch (Next 30–60 Days):&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Stability of shipping lanes (especially Hormuz)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Regional escalation or restraint&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;International involvement&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Key Takeaway:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Precision may reduce risk—but in modern conflict, one miscalculation can still trigger global consequences. Leadership in these moments is defined by the ability to think clearly under pressure.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;CJ&amp;apos;s bio:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Colonel Williams is originally from Port Huron, Michigan. He served as an infantryman on active duty in the Marine Corps for 32 years from 1989 to 2021, commanding at every level from platoon to regiment. He deployed to combat several times including Somalia, Afghanistan (x2), and Iraq(x2). His last assignment was as the Chief of Staff of Parris Island when he retired to the tri-county area of Charleston, SC and now serves as the Director of the SC Veterans Business Outreach Center, The Tommy &amp;amp;amp; Victoria Baker School of Business at The Citadel assisting Veterans and their Spouses who want to start or grow a business. He also serves on the Board of Directors for five separate not-for-profit organizations in the Charleston area. Within these organizations he represents veteran issues and teaches leadership, ethics, and self-employment to help reduce recidivism, mentor at-risk veterans, and foster economic vibrancy in the Charleston Area. He holds a master’s degree in National Security Studies from the Naval War College and an undergraduate degree in Finance from Western Michigan University.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron&amp;apos;s best selling book, &amp;quot;The Dirty Side of Leadership&amp;quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Send us Fan Mail In this episode, Ron and Kristin sit down with returning guest Colonel CJ Williams to break down the rapidly escalating tensions with Iran. CJ provides a clear, strategic lens on what’s happening, why it matters, and how global conflict connects directly to everyday life.  Key Topics: Current Situation: Rising tensions, targeted strikes, and growing focus on the Strait of Hormuz as a critical global choke point.How We Got Here: Years of nuclear concerns and proxy conflicts es...

Breakdown of the Iran War with Colonel CJ Williams, USMC, Retired | Episode 155

<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2144286/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a>Groupthink isn’t about intelligence—it’s about pressure. In this episode, Ron and Kristin break down how rooms full of smart, experienced people can still make bad decisions when harmony overrides truth. From workplace meetings to politics and corporate failures, they explore the psychology behind conformity and why silence spreads fast. Key Topics:<ul><li>What groupthink is and how it shows up in everyday meetings</li><li>The Asch Conformity Experiment (Asch, 1950s) and tribal psychology</li><li>Why people stay silent (fear of rejection, embarrassment, retaliation)</li><li>The Milgram Experiment (Milgram, 1961)</li><li>How leadership hierarchy amplifies bad decisions (Janis, Groupthink, 1972)</li><li>The role of the contrarian in high-performing teams</li><li>Real-world examples: Bay of Pigs, Enron, Blockbuster, Kodak</li><li>How great leaders create cultures where truth can surface</li></ul>Takeaway: The most dangerous room a leader can sit in is one where everyone agrees. Strong leadership isn’t about control—it’s about creating space for honest disagreement. Works Cited:<ul><li>Asch, S. E. (1951). Effects of group pressure upon the modification and distortion of judgments.</li><li>Janis, I. L. (1972). Victims of Groupthink: A Psychological Study of Foreign-Policy Decisions and Fiascoes.</li></ul>Listen, reflect, and lead better.Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron&apos;s best selling book, &quot;The Dirty Side of Leadership&quot;. Connect with us at 4wardoperations.comConnect with us at 4wardoperations.com

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2144286/fan_mail/new"&gt;Send us Fan Mail&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Groupthink isn’t about intelligence—it’s about pressure. In this episode, Ron and Kristin break down how rooms full of smart, experienced people can still make bad decisions when harmony overrides truth. From workplace meetings to politics and corporate failures, they explore the psychology behind conformity and why silence spreads fast.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Key Topics:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;What groupthink is and how it shows up in everyday meetings&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Asch Conformity Experiment (Asch, 1950s) and tribal psychology&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Why people stay silent (fear of rejection, embarrassment, retaliation)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The Milgram Experiment (Milgram, 1961)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How leadership hierarchy amplifies bad decisions (Janis, Groupthink, 1972)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The role of the contrarian in high-performing teams&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Real-world examples: Bay of Pigs, Enron, Blockbuster, Kodak&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;How great leaders create cultures where truth can surface&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Takeaway:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The most dangerous room a leader can sit in is one where everyone agrees. Strong leadership isn’t about control—it’s about creating space for honest disagreement.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;b&gt;Works Cited:&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Asch, S. E. (1951). Effects of group pressure upon the modification and distortion of judgments.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Janis, I. L. (1972). Victims of Groupthink: A Psychological Study of Foreign-Policy Decisions and Fiascoes.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;Listen, reflect, and lead better.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron&amp;apos;s best selling book, &amp;quot;The Dirty Side of Leadership&amp;quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Send us Fan Mail Groupthink isn’t about intelligence—it’s about pressure. In this episode, Ron and Kristin break down how rooms full of smart, experienced people can still make bad decisions when harmony overrides truth. From workplace meetings to politics and corporate failures, they explore the psychology behind conformity and why silence spreads fast.  Key Topics: What groupthink is and how it shows up in everyday meetingsThe Asch Conformity Experiment (Asch, 1950s) and tribal psychologyWh...

Groupthink: When Smart People Stop Thinking | Episode 154

<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2144286/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a>Ron Ward and Kristin Sokoloff talk with Justin Fulcher—entrepreneur, former Senior Advisor to Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, member of Elon Musk’s DOGE team, and Johns Hopkins doctoral candidate. Justin shares lessons from building a global telehealth company, working inside the Pentagon, and navigating public scrutiny. The conversation explores faith, leadership under pressure, government bureaucracy, and the personal cost of public service. A candid discussion on power, reputation, and the realities leaders face behind the scenes. Justin on X: https://x.com/justinfulcher?s=11&amp;t=CZfUObNWlDB9-mp5RTCcCQWhere leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron&apos;s best selling book, &quot;The Dirty Side of Leadership&quot;. Connect with us at 4wardoperations.comConnect with us at 4wardoperations.com

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2144286/fan_mail/new"&gt;Send us Fan Mail&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Ron Ward and Kristin Sokoloff talk with Justin Fulcher—entrepreneur, former Senior Advisor to Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, member of Elon Musk’s DOGE team, and Johns Hopkins doctoral candidate.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Justin shares lessons from building a global telehealth company, working inside the Pentagon, and navigating public scrutiny. The conversation explores faith, leadership under pressure, government bureaucracy, and the personal cost of public service.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A candid discussion on power, reputation, and the realities leaders face behind the scenes.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Justin on X: https://x.com/justinfulcher?s=11&amp;amp;t=CZfUObNWlDB9-mp5RTCcCQ&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron&amp;apos;s best selling book, &amp;quot;The Dirty Side of Leadership&amp;quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Send us Fan Mail Ron Ward and Kristin Sokoloff talk with Justin Fulcher—entrepreneur, former Senior Advisor to Secretary of War Pete Hegseth, member of Elon Musk’s DOGE team, and Johns Hopkins doctoral candidate.  Justin shares lessons from building a global telehealth company, working inside the Pentagon, and navigating public scrutiny. The conversation explores faith, leadership under pressure, government bureaucracy, and the personal cost of public service.  A candid discussion on power, r...

EXCLUSIVE: Justin Fulcher DOGE Team Member, and Former Sr Advisor to Secretary Pete Hegseth | Episode 153

<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2144286/fan_mail/new">Send us Fan Mail</a>What happens when leadership isn’t something you pursue—but something you inherit? In this episode of The Dirty Side of Leadership, Kristin Sokoloff and Ron Ward sit down with business owner and eighth-generation Oregonian Howard “Tripp” Dietrich to explore the mindset of leaders who think in generations, not election cycles.Raised in a family deeply rooted in Oregon’s history—including ties to the founding of the legendary Pendleton Round-Up—Tripp grew up with a unique perspective on responsibility, reputation, and stewardship. Rather than chasing titles, he built his career as a business owner, learning firsthand the realities of hiring, leading, and making difficult decisions that affect other people’s livelihoods.Kristin and Ron dive into the lessons entrepreneurship teaches about human nature, accountability, and the difference between being liked and being respected as a leader. The conversation also touches on the moment Tripp realized he could no longer sit on the sidelines—and why he ultimately decided to step into public service. This episode is less about politics and more about something deeper: what leadership looks like when you believe you’re responsible for leaving things better than you found them.Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron&apos;s best selling book, &quot;The Dirty Side of Leadership&quot;. Connect with us at 4wardoperations.comConnect with us at 4wardoperations.com

<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/2144286/fan_mail/new"&gt;Send us Fan Mail&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What happens when leadership isn’t something you pursue—but something you inherit? In this episode of The Dirty Side of Leadership, Kristin Sokoloff and Ron Ward sit down with business owner and eighth-generation Oregonian Howard “Tripp” Dietrich to explore the mindset of leaders who think in generations, not election cycles.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Raised in a family deeply rooted in Oregon’s history—including ties to the founding of the legendary Pendleton Round-Up—Tripp grew up with a unique perspective on responsibility, reputation, and stewardship. Rather than chasing titles, he built his career as a business owner, learning firsthand the realities of hiring, leading, and making difficult decisions that affect other people’s livelihoods.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Kristin and Ron dive into the lessons entrepreneurship teaches about human nature, accountability, and the difference between being liked and being respected as a leader. The conversation also touches on the moment Tripp realized he could no longer sit on the sidelines—and why he ultimately decided to step into public service.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This episode is less about politics and more about something deeper: what leadership looks like when you believe you’re responsible for leaving things better than you found them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast takes both a humorous and intense look at leadership through impactful stories, answers to listener questions, and breakdowns of dirty lessons from Ron&amp;apos;s best selling book, &amp;quot;The Dirty Side of Leadership&amp;quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Connect with us at 4wardoperations.com&lt;/p&gt;</description>

Send us Fan Mail What happens when leadership isn’t something you pursue—but something you inherit? In this episode of The Dirty Side of Leadership, Kristin Sokoloff and Ron Ward sit down with business owner and eighth-generation Oregonian Howard “Tripp” Dietrich to explore the mindset of leaders who think in generations, not election cycles. Raised in a family deeply rooted in Oregon’s history—including ties to the founding of the legendary Pendleton Round-Up—Tripp grew up with a unique pers...

Oregon's John Dutton; Leadership Lessons from One of Oregon’s Oldest Families with Tripp Dietrich | Episode 152

Where leadership meets entertainment! This weekly podcast disrupts the status quo by discussing hot-button topics that most podcasters are afraid to touch.&nbsp; Ron and Kristin apply their combined 50+ years of real leadership experience and take both a humorous and raw look behind closed doors. Often sharing personal experiences both in the workplace and out, they answer listener questions and breakdown 'dirty lessons' from Ron's best selling book, "The Dirty Side of Leadership".&nbsp;

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