The Abstract

In this episode of The Abstract, host Tyler Finn speaks with Shanti Ariker, Chief Legal Officer at JFrog, about her unconventional journey from taking a six-year career break to leading legal teams at Salesforce, Twilio, Zendesk, and beyond. Shanti shares lessons on reinvention, resilience, and empathetic leadership — from returning to work as a contracts manager to navigating billion-dollar acquisitions and leading through global crises. Whether you're building your in-house career or leading a team, this conversation offers practical insights on growth, adaptability, and finding purpose in every chapter. Read detailed transcript: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-115         Topics Introduction and career overview – 00:00 Stepping away from full-time work and returning after six years – 02:41 Re-entering the legal workforce in Canada and taking a step back – 05:47 Breaking into Salesforce through networking and early contributions – 12:50 Building the Salesforce Canada legal team and launching pro bono work – 15:30 Becoming General Counsel at salesforce.org and leading through learning – 19:20 Innovative legal models and lessons from the salesforce.org structure – 22:17 Transitioning back to for-profit legal roles and rebuilding GC credentials – 24:56 GC role at Zendesk: From steady start to activist investors and take-private – 33:44 Managing governance, communication, and morale during high-stakes transitions – 37:35 Joining JFrog and leading through the Israel crisis – 43:03 Evolving leadership style through personal and professional challenges – 47:07 Rapid-fire Questions – 51:45     Connect with us: Shanti Ariker - https://www.linkedin.com/in/shanti-ariker/ Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft    SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Want more contracting insight to see how your team compares? SpotDraft recently launched their 2025 Contracting Efficiency Report! Download the report: https://hubs.la/Q03DNYkH0   In this episode of The Abstract, Monica Zent, serial entrepreneur, legal tech investor, and legal innovation pioneer, shares her journey of founding ZentLaw and helping shape modern legal operations before the term even existed. She unpacks the founder's mindset, how to lead through ambiguity, and why taking bold bets early pays off. Monica also shares guidance on embracing AI, identifying scalable legal tech ideas, and forging unconventional paths in a traditionally risk-averse industry.   Read detailed transcript: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-114    Topics Introduction – 00:00 Embracing entrepreneurship from a young age – 02:23 Founding ZentLaw and challenging traditional models – 03:25 The founder paradox: balancing vision and risk – 05:49 Early struggles and inflection point for ZentLaw – 08:36 Overcoming pushback and evolving with client feedback – 10:09 Integrating innovation into legal workflows – 11:52 Handling setbacks and staying agile as a founder – 15:10 Choosing an unconventional legal path – 18:01 Advice for law schools and future legal professionals – 22:11 Becoming a legal tech investor and mentor – 25:55 Signals of a Scalable Legal Tech Startup – 27:14 Legal tech trends: compliance, privacy, and predictive AI – 29:03 AI's role in reshaping legal teams and workflows – 31:18 Rapid-fire question – 36:18   Connect with us: Monica Zent • https://www.linkedin.com/in/monicazent/ • https://www.monicazent.com/   Venture Legal Newsletter • https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7302735858552446976   Companies • https://www.lawinnovationagency.com/ • https://zentlawgroup.com/   Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft    SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.   #legaltech #foundermindset #theabstractpodcast

In this episode of The Abstract, Tyler Finn sits down with Emmanuel Smith, former NFL linebacker, Super Bowl champion, substitute teacher, and now legal tech professional. Emmanuel shares his remarkable journey from the football field to the classroom to corporate America, opening up about resilience, reinvention, mental health, and the power of community. From being cut in the NFL to rediscovering purpose while substitute teaching, Emmanuel's story is a powerful reminder that setbacks can become setups for something greater.    Read detailed transcript: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-113   Topics Introduction: 00:00 What inspired him to play football and gives an overview of his career:02:00 The mental preparation, challenges in college, and lessons from his coach that shaped his journey:04:36 His most proud accomplishments from his NFL career: 7:57 Transition out of the NFL & mental health: 09:01 Rediscovering joy in football through teaching & mentorship – 17:38 Transition to corporate America & legal tech: 24:46 Joining Qualitas & sales approach: 29:31 What excites him about legal tech:36:58 Rapid-fire questions: 39:20   Connect with us: Emmanuel Smith - https://www.linkedin.com/in/emmanuel-smith-a79650101/ Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft    SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Want more contracting insight to see how your team compares? SpotDraft recently launched their 2025 Contracting Efficiency Report! Download the report: https://hubs.la/Q03DNYkH0   In this episode of The Abstract, host Tyler Finn sits down with Viraj Joshi, VP: Legal & Regulatory at Zerodha , India's largest bootstrapped brokerage firm. Viraj shares his unconventional career journey—from big law to public policy, and finally to building cross-functional impact at Zerodha. He reflects on lessons from working across law, finance, and government, the role of community in shaping careers, and Zerodha's growth philosophy. The conversation also dives into his work with Rainmatter, Zerodha's long-term investment arm focused on fintech, health, and climate startups, and the cultural values that have fueled Zerodha's success.    Read a detailed transcript: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-112    Topics Introducing Viraj Joshi – 00:00 Viraj's Early Career in Big Law - 01:47 Shift from Law to Policy & Finance - 03:44 Applying legal training beyond traditional legal careers - 09:41 Building Community: Lawyers Not Lawyering - 11:05 Changing Job Market Dynamics - 14:40 Joining Zerodha & Its Growth - 16:51Viraj's Current Role & Regulatory Work - 19:19 Rainmatter Investments: Mission, Long-Term Philosophy, and Focus on Fintech, Health, and Climate - 26:08 Opportunities Beyond Big Cities - 29:44 Adapting to Investing Through Small Checks and Building Conviction Over Time - 31:45 Leadership & Culture at Zerodha - 33:10 Legal Tech & Contracting Challenges - 38:57 Rapid Fire Questions - 45:05   Connect with us: Viraj Joshi - https://www.linkedin.com/in/viraj-joshi/?originalSubdomain=in Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft    SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.

Want more contracting insight to see how your team compares? SpotDraft recently launched their 2025 Contracting Efficiency Report! Download the report: https://hubs.la/Q03DNYkH0 In this episode of The Abstract, Tyler Finn sits down with Rohit Kumar, former SVP and General Counsel at Ola and a seasoned in-house leader. Rohit reflects on his journey from corporate law firms to building scalable, tech-driven legal teams in high-growth companies. He shares insights on embracing legal technology early, managing global litigation, navigating regulatory challenges, and shaping team culture. From career pivots inspired by Charlie Munger to implementing CLM solutions ahead of the pandemic, Rohit's story is a masterclass in reinvention, resilience, and leadership in the evolving legal landscape. Read detailed transcript: https://www.spotdraft.com/podcast/episode-111     Topics Introduction 00:00 Rohit's early career journey: choosing law and working across India and international firms 02:04 Moving from law firm life to in-house: time, control, and motivation 04:40 Adapting to in-house culture, stakeholder management, and leadership mindset 06:47 Early adoption of legal tech and compliance solutions at UPL 10:09 Pandemic-driven adoption of CLM and collaboration tools 15:21 Transitioning from traditional enterprises to founder-led tech companies and scaling Ola's legal team 19:50 Leadership evolution: building teams, specialized roles, and creating a strong culture 22:58 High-stakes legal challenges: managing litigation and settlement strategy in Ola's UK class action case 30:28 Regulatory complexities: two-wheeler taxis and navigating government pushback in India 37:20 Contracting efficiency: blockers to CLM adoption, improving processes, and scaling efficiency 42:37 Rapid-fire Questions 48:13    Connect with us: Rohit Kumar - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rohit-kumar-5153715/?originalSubdomain=in Tyler Finn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tylerhfinn SpotDraft - https://www.linkedin.com/company/spotdraft    SpotDraft is a leading contract lifecycle management platform that solves your end-to-end contract management issues. Visit https://www.spotdraft.com to learn more.