Marco Zapacosta is the co-founder and CEO of Thumbtack, the home services marketplace connecting homeowners with local pros for everything from plumbing to renovation. Started three weeks before Lehman Brothers collapsed in 2008, Thumbtack has grown to over $500M in annual run rate across 17 years of building.What you'll learn:Why Marco believes Thumbtack is still pre-product market fit at $500M in revenueHow AI is shifting Thumbtack from a search engine to a matchmakerWhy word of mouth is still the biggest competitor to every home services marketplace — and how AI finally evens the scoreWhy convenience doesn't win when someone's spending $1,000 and entering your homeMarco's take on practitioners vs. projectors — and why he doesn't trust most AI predictionsWhy AI agents won't disintermediate high-trust marketplacesHow Thumbtack's operating model evolved from Google to Facebook to their own matrix structureWhat's kept Marco going for 17 years — and why he scores zero on neuroticismWhy Marco wants to stay private a little longer before an inevitable IPOWhy AI applied to robotics is overhyped and synthetic biology is massively underratedIn this episode, we cover:(00:00) AI as substitute vs. complement — the flaw in our collective thinking(01:00) Introduction to Marco Zapacosta(02:12) Practitioners vs. projectors on AI(04:14) Real anxiety about AI job loss — engineers at birthday parties(07:21) Why Marco doesn't trust Block's layoff messaging(09:46) How AI is a massive accelerant for Thumbtack(10:02) Why home services is still pre-product market fit at $500M(11:02) Word of mouth is Thumbtack's biggest competitor(12:40) Will AI agents disintermediate marketplaces?(15:17) Why choice still matters in high-trust purchases(17:34) Why humans still want to read reviews themselves(19:15) Thumbtack's origin story — starting 3 weeks before Lehman collapsed(23:16) What's kept Marco going for 17 years(24:42) Entrepreneur parents and raising entrepreneurial kids(30:20) How Marco runs the company — the matrix model explained(35:25) Four co-founders: how responsibilities divided over time(37:02) Is Thumbtack going public?(39:33) The real downsides of being a public company(45:21) Rapid fire: who inspires Marco, what's overhyped, what's underhyped(47:12) The hardest part of leadership is self-awareness, not skills(49:02) Why struggling early builds staying power