<p>In this episode we speak with Jon DeWaal, founder of <a target="_blank" href="https://www.inaliminalspace.org/">Liminal Space.</a> </p><p>AI. War. Climate catastrophe. Authoritarianism. Are these signs that our social systems are dying? Will new social systems be born? How do we navigate these times? How do we deal with the dissonance of disruption? What does it mean to be “in between?” These questions have never been more important as we face a seemingly unprecedented onslaught of existential risks to human civilization.</p><p>From the personal to the professional, Jon helps us understand disruptive change in new ways and shares some much needed wisdom to navigate these times.</p><p>Learn more about Jon and his work at https://www.inaliminalspace.org/</p><p>The Fuzz is hosted by Carolina Montilla and Joel Fariss</p><p>Brand design by Krista Reeder</p><p>Production by Marco Gamboa</p><p>The theme music was written by Ido Maimon</p><p>To learn more about The Fuzz, please visit our substack: thefuzz.substack.com</p><p>To learn more about Gensler, please visit Gensler.com</p><p>Thanks for listening.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://thefuzz.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">thefuzz.substack.com</a>