<p>Author, founder two times over, and marketing titan Rand Fishkin joins me on Good Boss Bad Boss. In our chat, Rand didn’t shy away his own experiences, including the emotional challenges he faced when leaving Moz.</p> <p>What stands out is Rand’s strong advocacy for transparency in business. He believes this openness has been critical in fostering trust with employees and customers, although he knows potential drawbacks of sharing sensitive information do exist.</p> <p>Where he has landed in his journey has brought him to prioritize personal relationships over hustle culture, the team at SparkToro has created a unique working atmosphere that values a relaxed environment and flexible schedules.</p> <p><br></p> <p>Jump into the conversation:</p> <p>(02:05) Meet Rand</p> <p>(07:30) Hard lessons from Moz</p> <p>(9:57) Rand’s case for transparent leadership</p> <p>(21:40) Rand’s ex-CEO and ex-best friend</p> <p>(23:32) Relationships &gt; Business</p> <p>(27:56) What is chill work?</p> <p><br></p> <p>Connect with Joei: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/joeichan/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/joeichan/</a> Subscribe to GBBB’s Substack: <a href="https://joeichan.substack.com/">https://joeichan.substack.com/</a></p> <p><br></p> <p>Produced by Share Your Genius <a href="https://www.shareyourgenius.com/">https://www.shareyourgenius.com/</a></p> <p>Artistic direction by Alexandre Lenoble <a href="https://www.alexandrelenoble.com/">https://www.alexandrelenoble.com/</a></p>