Ian and Aaron discuss Ian's trip to PHP x NYC, Aaron's new art, how to try to thrive if you think a recession is coming, and so much more.Sponsored by <a href="https://bentonow.com/">Bento</a> and <a href="https://workos.com/">WorkOS</a>.Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical?  Head to <a href="https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor">https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor</a> to learn more.<ul><li>(00:00) - A Billionaire Sighting</li>
<li>(06:22) - PHP × NYC</li>
<li>(14:25) - Follow Up</li>
<li>(18:28) - Aaron's Art</li>
<li>(27:51) - Ian's New Computer</li>
<li>(39:34) - Screencasting.com</li>
<li>(45:23) - Adapting to a Recession</li>
<li>(01:03:20) - Conference Talk</li>
</ul> Links:<ul><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Jones">Jerry Jones</a></li><li><a href="https://www.rosewoodhotels.com/en/mansion-on-turtle-creek-dallas">Mansion on Turtle Creek</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nanny">The Nanny</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Boone_Pickens">T. Boone Pickens</a></li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/First-Billion-Hardest-Reflections-Comebacks/dp/0307396010">The First Billion Is the Hardest (Book)</a></li><li><a href="https://heyrosie.com">Rosie</a></li><li><a href="https://x.com/aarondfrancis/status/1908960583270965495">Aaron's Art</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_of_Bethany#:~:text=The%20raising%20of%20Lazarus%20is,four%20days%20after%20his%20entombment.">Lazarus of Bethany</a></li><li><a href="https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-stage-manager-mchl534ba392/mac">Stage Manager (macOS)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.marshallhaas.com">Marshall Haas</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Ramsey">Dave Ramsey</a></li><li><a href="https://kentcdodds.com">Kent C. Dodds</a></li><li><a href="https://www.epicweb.dev/conf/2025">Epic Web Conference 2025</a></li><li><a href="https://microconf.com">MicroConf</a></li></ul>

<description>
 &lt;p&gt;Ian and Aaron discuss Ian's trip to PHP x NYC, Aaron's new art, how to try to thrive if you think a recession is coming, and so much more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sponsored by &lt;a href="https://bentonow.com/"&gt;Bento&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://workos.com/"&gt;WorkOS&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical?  Head to &lt;a href="https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor"&gt;https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor&lt;/a&gt; to learn more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;(00:00) - A Billionaire Sighting&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(06:22) - PHP × NYC&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(14:25) - Follow Up&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(18:28) - Aaron's Art&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(27:51) - Ian's New Computer&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(39:34) - Screencasting.com&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(45:23) - Adapting to a Recession&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(01:03:20) - Conference Talk&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br&gt;Links:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Jones"&gt;Jerry Jones&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.rosewoodhotels.com/en/mansion-on-turtle-creek-dallas"&gt;Mansion on Turtle Creek&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nanny"&gt;The Nanny&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Boone_Pickens"&gt;T. Boone Pickens&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.amazon.com/First-Billion-Hardest-Reflections-Comebacks/dp/0307396010"&gt;The First Billion Is the Hardest (Book)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://heyrosie.com"&gt;Rosie&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/aarondfrancis/status/1908960583270965495"&gt;Aaron's Art&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_of_Bethany#:~:text=The%20raising%20of%20Lazarus%20is,four%20days%20after%20his%20entombment."&gt;Lazarus of Bethany&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/use-stage-manager-mchl534ba392/mac"&gt;Stage Manager (macOS)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.marshallhaas.com"&gt;Marshall Haas&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Ramsey"&gt;Dave Ramsey&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://kentcdodds.com"&gt;Kent C. Dodds&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.epicweb.dev/conf/2025"&gt;Epic Web Conference 2025&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://microconf.com"&gt;MicroConf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
 </description>

77: Eye on the Future

Recorded live after PHP × NYC with Ben Holmen, John Drexler, Daniel Coulbourne, Chris Morrell, Ian Landsman, Dave Hicking, and Joe Tannenbaum.Considering we're all podcasters, we decided to sit down and discuss the most important issues of the day: Trader Joe's in basements, Poker, Day 2 Soup, Chess.com, something called "The Pizza Belt", and so much more.

<description>
 &lt;p&gt;Recorded live after PHP × NYC with Ben Holmen, John Drexler, Daniel Coulbourne, Chris Morrell, Ian Landsman, Dave Hicking, and Joe Tannenbaum.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Considering we're all podcasters, we decided to sit down and discuss the most important issues of the day: Trader Joe's in basements, Poker, Day 2 Soup, Chess.com, something called "The Pizza Belt", and so much more.&lt;/p&gt;
 </description>

Bonus Episode: PHP × NYC Chaos-Cast™

Aaron is joined this week by <a href="https://x.com/adamwathan">Adam Wathan</a> to talk about everything from Disney Cruises to what he wants to do on YouTube and a whole lot more.Sponsored by <a href="https://bentonow.com/">Bento</a> and <a href="https://workos.com/">WorkOS</a>.Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical?  Head to <a href="https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor">https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor</a> to learn more.<ul><li>(00:00) - The Disney Debate</li>
<li>(03:27) - Zero MRR</li>
<li>(05:15) - YouTube Stuff</li>
<li>(13:38) - Course Talk</li>
<li>(23:33) - Competitive Advantage</li>
<li>(42:48) - Building A Course Platform</li>
<li>(52:59) - Tailwind's YouTube Strategy</li>
<li>(01:23:31) - Nanny Talk</li>
</ul> Links:<ul><li><a href="https://disneycruise.disney.go.com">Disney Cruise Line</a></li><li><a href="https://x.com/adamwathan/status/1906035220052156506">Adam's tweet about $0 MRR</a></li><li><a href="https://tailwindcss.com/build-uis-that-dont-suck">'Build UIs that don't suck'</a></li><li><a href="https://x.com/adamwathan/status/1877016183142043649?s=61">Tailwind Connect Miami</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/steveschoger">Steve Schogar on YouTube</a></li><li><a href="https://teenage.engineering">teenage engineering</a></li></ul>

<description>
 &lt;p&gt;Aaron is joined this week by &lt;a href="https://x.com/adamwathan"&gt;Adam Wathan&lt;/a&gt; to talk about everything from Disney Cruises to what he wants to do on YouTube and a whole lot more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sponsored by &lt;a href="https://bentonow.com/"&gt;Bento&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://workos.com/"&gt;WorkOS&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical?  Head to &lt;a href="https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor"&gt;https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor&lt;/a&gt; to learn more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;(00:00) - The Disney Debate&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(03:27) - Zero MRR&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(05:15) - YouTube Stuff&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(13:38) - Course Talk&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(23:33) - Competitive Advantage&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(42:48) - Building A Course Platform&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(52:59) - Tailwind's YouTube Strategy&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(01:23:31) - Nanny Talk&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br&gt;Links:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://disneycruise.disney.go.com"&gt;Disney Cruise Line&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/adamwathan/status/1906035220052156506"&gt;Adam's tweet about $0 MRR&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://tailwindcss.com/build-uis-that-dont-suck"&gt;'Build UIs that don't suck'&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/adamwathan/status/1877016183142043649?s=61"&gt;Tailwind Connect Miami&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/steveschoger"&gt;Steve Schogar on YouTube&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://teenage.engineering"&gt;teenage engineering&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;
 </description>

76: Distribution & Taste w/ Adam Wathan

Ian and Aaron discuss Ian's trip to Disney World, Aaron's adventures with Reddit &amp; Hacker News, building a new billing system, and so much more.Sponsored by <a href="https://bentonow.com/">Bento</a>, <a href="https://getstream.io/chat/?utm_source=podcast&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_campaign=mostlytechnical">Stream</a>, <a href="https://cloud.laravel.com/">Laravel Cloud</a>, and<a href="https://phptek.io/"> PHP Tek 2025</a>.Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical?  Head to <a href="https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor">https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor</a> to learn more.<ul><li>(00:00) - Disney World</li>
<li>(17:01) - Follow Up</li>
<li>(22:03) - Aaron's Newsletter</li>
<li>(25:59) - Bookmarking Situation</li>
<li>(40:02) - Reddit &amp; Hacker News</li>
<li>(52:29) - Building A Billing System</li>
<li>(01:17:40) - Monarch Follow Up</li>
</ul> Links:<ul><li><a href="https://x.com/wking__">Will King on Twitter</a></li><li><a href="https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/minnie-van-service/">Minnie Van</a></li><li><a href="https://swandolphin.com">Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin</a></li><li><a href="https://artofproductpodcast.com">The Art of Product</a></li><li><a href="https://stratechery.com/2025/an-interview-with-openai-ceo-sam-altman-about-building-a-consumer-tech-company/">Ben Thompson's Interview w/ Sam Altman</a></li><li><a href="https://mymind.com">mymind</a></li><li><a href="https://mymind.com">Pinboard</a></li><li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1jgmrip/github_solotermscreen_a_terminal_emulator_written/">Aaron's post about Screen on r/php</a></li><li><a href="https://github.com/soloterm/solo">Solo on GitHub</a></li><li><a href="https://github.com/soloterm/screen">Screen on GitHub</a></li><li><a href="https://screencasting.com">Screencasting.com</a></li><li><a href="https://www.monarchmoney.com">Monarch</a></li></ul>

<description>
 &lt;p&gt;Ian and Aaron discuss Ian's trip to Disney World, Aaron's adventures with Reddit &amp;amp; Hacker News, building a new billing system, and so much more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sponsored by &lt;a href="https://bentonow.com/"&gt;Bento&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://getstream.io/chat/?utm_source=podcast&amp;amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;amp;utm_content=&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mostlytechnical"&gt;Stream&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://cloud.laravel.com/"&gt;Laravel Cloud&lt;/a&gt;, and&lt;a href="https://phptek.io/"&gt; PHP Tek 2025&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical?  Head to &lt;a href="https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor"&gt;https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor&lt;/a&gt; to learn more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;(00:00) - Disney World&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(17:01) - Follow Up&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(22:03) - Aaron's Newsletter&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(25:59) - Bookmarking Situation&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(40:02) - Reddit &amp;amp; Hacker News&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(52:29) - Building A Billing System&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(01:17:40) - Monarch Follow Up&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br&gt;Links:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/wking__"&gt;Will King on Twitter&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/guest-services/minnie-van-service/"&gt;Minnie Van&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://swandolphin.com"&gt;Walt Disney World Swan and Dolphin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://artofproductpodcast.com"&gt;The Art of Product&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://stratechery.com/2025/an-interview-with-openai-ceo-sam-altman-about-building-a-consumer-tech-company/"&gt;Ben Thompson's Interview w/ Sam Altman&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://mymind.com"&gt;mymind&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://mymind.com"&gt;Pinboard&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/1jgmrip/github_solotermscreen_a_terminal_emulator_written/"&gt;Aaron's post about Screen on r/php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://github.com/soloterm/solo"&gt;Solo on GitHub&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://github.com/soloterm/screen"&gt;Screen on GitHub&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://screencasting.com"&gt;Screencasting.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.monarchmoney.com"&gt;Monarch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
 </description>

75: Mob Mentality

Aaron is joined this week by Jordan Gal (Ian's off at Disney World) to discuss everything from finding product market fit for his new product Rosie to the Try Hard business model and so much more.Sponsored by <a href="https://bentonow.com/">Bento</a>, <a href="https://getstream.io/chat/?utm_source=podcast&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=&amp;utm_campaign=mostlytechnical">Stream</a>, <a href="https://cloud.laravel.com/">Laravel Cloud</a>, and<a href="https://phptek.io/"> PHP Tek 2025</a>.Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical?  Head to <a href="https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor">https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor</a> to learn more.<ul><li>(00:00) - #1 Topic</li>
<li>(02:47) - What Makes A Podcast Compelling?</li>
<li>(33:43) - Early Product Market Fit</li>
<li>(57:06) - Fighting The Bootstrap Ideology</li>
<li>(01:15:58) - The Try Hard Business Model</li>
<li>(01:30:24) - It's Business Time</li>
<li>(01:48:22) - Making Friends</li>
<li>(02:02:55) - Disneyland vs. Disney World</li>
</ul> Links:<ul><li><a href="https://jordangal.com">Jordan Gal</a></li><li><a href="https://www.startupsfortherestofus.com/episodes/episode-764-finding-hockey-stick-growth-with-an-a-i-wrapper-with-jordan-gal">Episode 764 of Startups for the Rest of Us</a></li><li><a href="http://youcanjustdothings.com/">http://youcanjustdothings.com/</a></li><li><a href="https://heyrosie.com">Rosie</a></li><li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chang">David Chang</a></li><li><a href="https://www.qualtrics.com/experience-management/brand/ideal-customer-profile/#:~:text=What%20is%20an%20Ideal%20Customer,products%20or%20services%20you%20sell.">ICPs (Ideal Customer Profiles)</a></li><li><a href="https://getbrick.app/products/brick?srsltid=AfmBOorwZInNaxDqEFszKwQpck6LNmiOwxEohTF6TsilgUCNP3ASBabu">Brick</a></li><li><a href="https://carthook.com">CartHook</a></li><li><a href="https://justinmcgill.net">Justin McGill</a></li><li><a href="https://x.com/bryanshankman">Bryan Shankman</a></li><li><a href="https://www.newform.com">NewForm</a></li><li><a href="https://every.to/@danshipper?sort=newest">Dan Shipper</a></li><li><a href="https://robwalling.com">Rob Walling</a></li></ul>

<description>
 &lt;p&gt;Aaron is joined this week by Jordan Gal (Ian's off at Disney World) to discuss everything from finding product market fit for his new product Rosie to the Try Hard business model and so much more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Sponsored by &lt;a href="https://bentonow.com/"&gt;Bento&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://getstream.io/chat/?utm_source=podcast&amp;amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;amp;utm_content=&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mostlytechnical"&gt;Stream&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://cloud.laravel.com/"&gt;Laravel Cloud&lt;/a&gt;, and&lt;a href="https://phptek.io/"&gt; PHP Tek 2025&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Interested in sponsoring Mostly Technical?  Head to &lt;a href="https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor"&gt;https://mostlytechnical.com/sponsor&lt;/a&gt; to learn more.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;(00:00) - #1 Topic&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(02:47) - What Makes A Podcast Compelling?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(33:43) - Early Product Market Fit&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(57:06) - Fighting The Bootstrap Ideology&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(01:15:58) - The Try Hard Business Model&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(01:30:24) - It's Business Time&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(01:48:22) - Making Friends&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;(02:02:55) - Disneyland vs. Disney World&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br&gt;Links:&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://jordangal.com"&gt;Jordan Gal&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.startupsfortherestofus.com/episodes/episode-764-finding-hockey-stick-growth-with-an-a-i-wrapper-with-jordan-gal"&gt;Episode 764 of Startups for the Rest of Us&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="http://youcanjustdothings.com/"&gt;http://youcanjustdothings.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://heyrosie.com"&gt;Rosie&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Chang"&gt;David Chang&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.qualtrics.com/experience-management/brand/ideal-customer-profile/#:~:text=What%20is%20an%20Ideal%20Customer,products%20or%20services%20you%20sell."&gt;ICPs (Ideal Customer Profiles)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://getbrick.app/products/brick?srsltid=AfmBOorwZInNaxDqEFszKwQpck6LNmiOwxEohTF6TsilgUCNP3ASBabu"&gt;Brick&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://carthook.com"&gt;CartHook&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://justinmcgill.net"&gt;Justin McGill&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://x.com/bryanshankman"&gt;Bryan Shankman&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.newform.com"&gt;NewForm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://every.to/@danshipper?sort=newest"&gt;Dan Shipper&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://robwalling.com"&gt;Rob Walling&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;
 </description>

74: The Hourglass w/ Jordan Gal

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