<div dir="ltr"> <p data-path-to-node="0"><span data-path-to-node="0,0">In this episode of Thread, Dr. </span><span data-path-to-node="0,2">David Pocta and Hannah DeSouza are joined by special guest Ron Rolheiser—missionary, author, and David’s longtime academic mentor</span><span data-path-to-node="0,4">. </span><span data-path-to-node="0,6">Together, they explore the profound shifts in John 13 and 14, moving from the physical ritual of the Last Supper to the deep spiritual architecture of the Upper Room Discourse</span><span data-path-to-node="0,8">. </span><span data-path-to-node="0,10">The conversation centers on three core movements: the Basin and Towel, where Jesus redefines leadership and identity through the "awkward" grace of footwashing; the Commandment of Love, which challenges followers to move beyond fairness toward an indiscriminate love that "shines on the good and the bad alike"; and the Spirit, the "neglected" member of the Trinity who provides a post-resurrection guidance system of gratitude and truth</span><span data-path-to-node="0,12">. </span><span data-path-to-node="0,14">The episode concludes by reframing peace, not as the absence of tension, but as an interior stillness that coexists with the pains and meanings of a life lived in Christ</span><span data-path-to-node="0,16">.</span></p> <div> </div> <p><span data-path-to-node="2,0,1,0">[01:30] Podcast Introduction &amp; Setting the Scene </span> </p> <p data-path-to-node="2,1,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,1,1,0">[01:54] Introducing Special Guest Ron Rolheiser </span></p> <p data-path-to-node="2,2,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,2,1,0">[02:55] Theology vs. Spirituality: "The Rules vs. The Game" </span></p> <p data-path-to-node="2,3,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,3,1,0">[03:36] Ron Rolheiser’s Trilogy: Holy Longing, Sacred Fire, and Insane for the Light </span></p> <p data-path-to-node="2,3,1">[05:16] Why John’s Last Supper is Distinct from the Synoptics</p> <p data-path-to-node="2,5,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,5,1,0">[07:47] Washing Each Other’s Feet </span></p> <p data-path-to-node="2,6,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,6,1,0">[10:49] Peter’s Resistance: The Awkwardness of Accepting Grace </span></p> <p data-path-to-node="2,7,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,7,1,0">[15:43] The Outer Robe: Stripping Identity to Reach Across Divides </span></p> <p data-path-to-node="2,8,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,8,1,0">[20:34] The New Commandment: Loving Beyond Fairness </span></p> <p data-path-to-node="2,9,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,9,1,0">[26:04] The Role of the Spirit: Why it is Better for Jesus to Go Away </span></p> <p data-path-to-node="2,10,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,10,1,0">[34:40] The "Forgotten God": Recognizing the Spirit’s Energy in Our Lives </span></p> <p data-path-to-node="2,11,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,11,1,0">[42:51] Being "Sincere": Living and Praying "Without Wax" </span></p> <p data-path-to-node="2,12,1"><span data-path-to-node="2,12,1,0">[44:37] Redefining Peace: How Inner Stillness Coexists with Pain </span></p> <div>[48:19] Closing Reflections: Where is God Inviting Us to Kneel?</div> <div> </div> <p> </p> <p><strong>Links:</strong></p> <p><a href="https://apps.apple.com/us/app/thread-podcast/id6462894424"><strong>Download the Thread Podcast App</strong></a></p> <p>Learn more about <a href="https://threadpodcast.org/"><strong>Thread </strong></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/threadpodcast.org"><strong>Thread Facebook</strong></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/threadpodcast/"><strong>Thread Instagram</strong></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dpocta/"><strong>Dr. David Pocta</strong></a></p> <p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/hannah-desouza-503ba1142/"><strong>Hannah DeSouza</strong></a></p> <p> </p> </div>