<p>Today we’re joined by <a target="_blank" href="https://www.opm.gov/about-us/who-we-are/opm-director-scott-kupor/"><strong>Scott Kupor</strong></a>, Director of the <a target="_blank" href="https://www.opm.gov/"><strong>Office of Personnel Management</strong></a>. I think of it as the federal HR department — he makes a compelling case that it’s really the government’s talent management organization.</p><p>Scott manages talent for an organization of 2+ million people with a $7 trillion budget. </p><p>We discuss:</p><p>* How DOGE cut federal headcount — and what comes next?</p><p>* Why agencies rehired employees they had just laid off</p><p>* How few federal employees get fired for poor performance</p><p>* What OPM can do without congressional help</p><p>For the full transcript of this conversation, go to <a target="_blank" href="http://www.statecraft.pub"><strong>www.statecraft.pub</strong></a>.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.statecraft.pub?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">www.statecraft.pub</a>