<p>In this episode of <em>For Humanity</em>, host <strong>John Sherman</strong> speaks with <strong>Esben Kran</strong>, one of the leading figures in the <em>for-profit AI safety</em> movement, joining live from Ukraine — where he’s exploring the intersection of AI safety, autonomous drones, and the defense tech boom.</p><p> 🔎 They discuss:</p><p>* The rise of <strong>for-profit AI safety startups</strong> and why technology must lead regulation.</p><p>* How <strong>Ukraine’s drone industry</strong> became the frontline of autonomous warfare.</p><p>* What happens when <strong>AI gains control</strong> — and how we might still shut it down.</p><p>* The chilling concept of a global <strong>“AI kill chain”</strong> and what humanity must do now.</p><p>Esben also shares insights from companies like <strong>Lucid Computing</strong> and <strong>Workshop Labs</strong>, the growing global coordination challenges, and why the next AI safety breakthroughs may not come from labs in Berkeley — but from battlefields and builders abroad.</p><p>🔗 Subscribe for more conversations about AI risk, ethics, and the fight to build a safe future for humanity.</p><p>📺 <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/@theairisknetwork">Watch more episodes</a></p><p>#AISafety #AIAlignment #ForHumanityPodcast #AIRisk #FutureOfAI #AIandWarfare #AutonomousWeapons #AIEthics #TechForGood #ArtificialIntelligence</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://theairisknetwork.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_1">theairisknetwork.substack.com</a>