Chris and Mike are joined by James Cattell to explore why communities matter, how safe spaces actually get built, and why a bit of creative chaos can be the most effective leadership tool of all.<hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>