Train travel is often praised as a sustainable alternative to flying.But if you’ve spent time around train stations, platforms, and tracks, you’ve probably noticed something else: trash. A lot of it.In this episode of Travel Devil, host Clara Francken sits down with Paul Waye, the world’s first professional plogger - someone who runs and picks up litter at the same time. Recorded on location in the Netherlands, this conversation talkes about why public spaces around trains are so polluted, why cigarette butts are one of the biggest hidden problems, and what behavior change really looks like in everyday life.Paul shares how plogging started during his daily run to the train station, how it grew into a full-time job, and why the first piece of trash you pick up matters more than how much you collect. Together, Clara and Paul talk about train stations, commuter behavior, deposit systems, smoking bans, and why infrastructure alone isn’t enough if habits don’t change.In this episode, we talk about:What plogging actually isWhy trash piles up just outside train stationsThe cigarette butt problem most travelers overlookHow deposit systems work in countries like Germany and the NetherlandsWhy clean trains don’t always mean clean tracksBehavior vs. infrastructure in sustainable travelSimple ways travelers and commuters can make a differenceThis episode is a reminder that sustainable travel isn’t only about how you move; it’s also about how you behave once you arrive.sustainable travel • train travel europe • slow travel • eco travel • cigarette butts pollution • microplastic pollution • sustainable transport • green travel myth • train stations europe • environmental impact travel • travel devil podcast • Clara Francken • plogging • plastic pollution travel • sustainable mobility • public transport sustainability • climate conscious travel • ethical travel europe • travel podcast europe • Paul Waye • plogging train stationsWrite us your thoughts on the showWant more? Follow Paul Waye on Instagram @wayeoflife Follow the podcast on Instagram @traveldevilpod Connect with me on Instagram @clarafrancken Watch more on my YouTube channel