<p>Behind HBO&#39;s Industry, are showrunners Mickey Down and Konrad Kay, two ex-bankers who walked out of London&#39;s finance world to create one of TV&#39;s most compelling modern dramas. Here are the 6 creative lessons I learned from them about redefining your identity and doing great work...</p><p>----</p><p><a href="https://makelikethegreats.com/bonus" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><strong>Get FREE BONUS downloadable poster here</strong></a></p><p>----</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@makelikethegreats?sub_confirmation=1">⁠The podcast is now on YouTube - check it out!⁠⁠</a></p><p>----</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:00:00 Intro</p><p>00:03:56 The Journey: From Banking to HBO</p><p>00:12:45 Rule 1: Write What You Know</p><p>00:17:31 Rule 2: Give People a Peek Into an Inaccessible World</p><p>00:23:21 Rule 3: Study Human Nature</p><p>00:32:17 Rule 4: Create Something Shocking</p><p>00:40:32 Rule 5: Steal Like An Artist</p><p>00:46:35 Rule 6: Don&#39;t Stop Making</p><p>----</p><p><strong>Art mentioned:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4oQGiWh" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Industry</a> - TV show, HBO (Mickey Down and Konrad Kay)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/47R7w9A" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Mad Men</a> - TV show, AMC (Matthew Weiner)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3WBpDtN" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Wire</a> - TV show, HBO (David Simon)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4okfHRK" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Sopranos</a> - TV show, HBO (David Chase)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4qyBDtT" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Game of Thrones</a> - TV show, HBO (David Benioff and D.B. Weiss)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4nEtvVX" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Mastery</a> - book, Robert Greene</li><li>Gregor - indie film, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/OeJ1JGQhncs?si=-7_cDGKfSnwlkYWO" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Edinburgh TV Festival</a> - panel/interview</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4qCFmq5" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Keep Going</a> - book, Austin Kleon</li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4UhThYvwGY23UBYFwrJsTg?si=Jtv-Ag8dSBeZFEWPx_wqgw" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Hayao Miyazaki</a> - Make Like The Greats episode 2</li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1OrEo1QGFuGWARHA0Nxqs1?si=jyaZ0x3xRc-ehXd-qi6TeA" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Bruce Lee</a> - Make Like The Greats episode 8</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/48Yivzc" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Godfather</a> - film (1972), Francis Ford Coppola</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/47pUHS4" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Social Network</a> - film (2010), David Fincher</li><li><a href="https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/industry-jargon-guide" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">&quot;Industry&#39;s Unintelligible Finance Jargon&quot;</a> GQ article by Jack King</li></ul><ul><li><a href="https://www.televisionacademy.com/features/news/mix/industry-leaders" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Television Academy</a> - interview, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3LEQrXC" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Prestige</a> - film (2006), Christopher Nolan</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/Jhaau0E0Qn4?si=ejNxRAgngxw_f4u6" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Indiewire</a> - interview/podcast, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/ni2vJGFAL3c?si=xnhpu5NSySdHI561" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Tasteland</a> - podcast, hosted by Daisy Alioto</li></ul><ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/43Eg6G8" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Laws of Human Nature</a> - book, Robert Greene</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3WuSUGB" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Lord of the Rings</a> - book, J.R.R. Tolkien</li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3ZyC5zkz8l62cs4ET2oUC5" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Becoming The Main Character</a> - podcast</li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/22cuw9wcUL80eLjaFOldVq?si=d1XrIQ1jTtmLT9L-rgBuDg" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">50 Cent</a> - Make Like The Greats episode 1</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4oCdOA5" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Creative Act</a> - book, Rick Rubin</li><li>Hamilton - musical, Lin-Manuel Miranda</li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/post-next/interactive/2025/mickey-down-konrad-kay/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Washington Post</a> - interview, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/43avlqh" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Apocalypse Now</a> - film (1979), Francis Ford Coppola (edited by Walter Murch)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/43a61AG" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The English Patient</a> - film (1996), Anthony Minghella (edited by Walter Murch)</li><li><a href="https://www.novembermag.com/content/mickey-down-and-konrad-kay/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Novembermag</a> - interview, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4oo6Z4Q" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Steal Like An Artist</a> - book, Austin Kleon</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4oo708U" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Runaway Species</a> - book, Anthony Brandt and David Eagleman</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/47w3UID" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Heat</a> - film (1995), Michael Mann</li></ul><p>----</p><p>To learn from makers not covered in the podcast: </p><p><strong>Twitter⁠:</strong> https://twitter.com/makegreats</p><p><strong>LinkedIn⁠:</strong> https://www.linkedin.com/company/make-greats/</p><p><strong>Instagram:</strong> https://www.instagram.com/makegreats/</p><p><strong>TikTok:</strong> https://www.tiktok.com/@makegreats</p>

Make Like The Greats

Justin Campbell-Platt

Mickey Down and Konrad Kay (How To Make A HBO Show)

NOV 5, 202553 MIN
Make Like The Greats

Mickey Down and Konrad Kay (How To Make A HBO Show)

NOV 5, 202553 MIN

Description

<p>Behind HBO&#39;s Industry, are showrunners Mickey Down and Konrad Kay, two ex-bankers who walked out of London&#39;s finance world to create one of TV&#39;s most compelling modern dramas. Here are the 6 creative lessons I learned from them about redefining your identity and doing great work...</p><p>----</p><p><a href="https://makelikethegreats.com/bonus" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferer"><strong>Get FREE BONUS downloadable poster here</strong></a></p><p>----</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@makelikethegreats?sub_confirmation=1">⁠The podcast is now on YouTube - check it out!⁠⁠</a></p><p>----</p><p><strong>Timestamps:</strong></p><p>00:00:00 Intro</p><p>00:03:56 The Journey: From Banking to HBO</p><p>00:12:45 Rule 1: Write What You Know</p><p>00:17:31 Rule 2: Give People a Peek Into an Inaccessible World</p><p>00:23:21 Rule 3: Study Human Nature</p><p>00:32:17 Rule 4: Create Something Shocking</p><p>00:40:32 Rule 5: Steal Like An Artist</p><p>00:46:35 Rule 6: Don&#39;t Stop Making</p><p>----</p><p><strong>Art mentioned:</strong></p><ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4oQGiWh" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Industry</a> - TV show, HBO (Mickey Down and Konrad Kay)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/47R7w9A" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Mad Men</a> - TV show, AMC (Matthew Weiner)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3WBpDtN" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Wire</a> - TV show, HBO (David Simon)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4okfHRK" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Sopranos</a> - TV show, HBO (David Chase)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4qyBDtT" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Game of Thrones</a> - TV show, HBO (David Benioff and D.B. Weiss)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4nEtvVX" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Mastery</a> - book, Robert Greene</li><li>Gregor - indie film, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/OeJ1JGQhncs?si=-7_cDGKfSnwlkYWO" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Edinburgh TV Festival</a> - panel/interview</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4qCFmq5" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Keep Going</a> - book, Austin Kleon</li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4UhThYvwGY23UBYFwrJsTg?si=Jtv-Ag8dSBeZFEWPx_wqgw" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Hayao Miyazaki</a> - Make Like The Greats episode 2</li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1OrEo1QGFuGWARHA0Nxqs1?si=jyaZ0x3xRc-ehXd-qi6TeA" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Bruce Lee</a> - Make Like The Greats episode 8</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/48Yivzc" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Godfather</a> - film (1972), Francis Ford Coppola</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/47pUHS4" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Social Network</a> - film (2010), David Fincher</li><li><a href="https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/industry-jargon-guide" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">&quot;Industry&#39;s Unintelligible Finance Jargon&quot;</a> GQ article by Jack King</li></ul><ul><li><a href="https://www.televisionacademy.com/features/news/mix/industry-leaders" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Television Academy</a> - interview, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3LEQrXC" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Prestige</a> - film (2006), Christopher Nolan</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/Jhaau0E0Qn4?si=ejNxRAgngxw_f4u6" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Indiewire</a> - interview/podcast, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay</li><li><a href="https://youtu.be/ni2vJGFAL3c?si=xnhpu5NSySdHI561" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Tasteland</a> - podcast, hosted by Daisy Alioto</li></ul><ul><li><a href="https://amzn.to/43Eg6G8" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Laws of Human Nature</a> - book, Robert Greene</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3WuSUGB" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Lord of the Rings</a> - book, J.R.R. Tolkien</li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/3ZyC5zkz8l62cs4ET2oUC5" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Becoming The Main Character</a> - podcast</li><li><a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/22cuw9wcUL80eLjaFOldVq?si=d1XrIQ1jTtmLT9L-rgBuDg" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">50 Cent</a> - Make Like The Greats episode 1</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4oCdOA5" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Creative Act</a> - book, Rick Rubin</li><li>Hamilton - musical, Lin-Manuel Miranda</li><li><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/post-next/interactive/2025/mickey-down-konrad-kay/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Washington Post</a> - interview, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/43avlqh" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Apocalypse Now</a> - film (1979), Francis Ford Coppola (edited by Walter Murch)</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/43a61AG" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The English Patient</a> - film (1996), Anthony Minghella (edited by Walter Murch)</li><li><a href="https://www.novembermag.com/content/mickey-down-and-konrad-kay/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Novembermag</a> - interview, Mickey Down and Konrad Kay</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4oo6Z4Q" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Steal Like An Artist</a> - book, Austin Kleon</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/4oo708U" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">The Runaway Species</a> - book, Anthony Brandt and David Eagleman</li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/47w3UID" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Heat</a> - film (1995), Michael Mann</li></ul><p>----</p><p>To learn from makers not covered in the podcast: </p><p><strong>Twitter⁠:</strong> https://twitter.com/makegreats</p><p><strong>LinkedIn⁠:</strong> https://www.linkedin.com/company/make-greats/</p><p><strong>Instagram:</strong> https://www.instagram.com/makegreats/</p><p><strong>TikTok:</strong> https://www.tiktok.com/@makegreats</p>