Send us Fan MailThe Grateful Podcast with Jack Wagoner guesting Jay YangEpisode 135Jay Yang is 20 years old. He cold-emailed his way into Beehiiv at 16. Sent a 19-page deck to Noah Kagan at 17 and became Head of Content at AppSumo. Wrote a bestseller at 19. Today he's the youngest Written Media Strategist on Alex and Leila Hormozi's media team at Acquisition.com, where he helped run the $100M Money Models launch that broke a Guinness World Record.He didn't go through the front door for any of it. He doesn't ask for permission. And in this conversation he walked me through, for the first time on any podcast, the actual mental models he's used to engineer the last four years. The North Star question. The probability mindset. The Four Pillar Framework. The mad scientist principle. The 70/20/10 split for an entire career. The Pyrrhic Victory chapter from the second book he's writing now.We go deep on why most 20-year-olds stay stuck even with all the information in the world, the only question to ask before you cold email anyone, the specific framework Jay used to decide between college and Hormozi, why quality is paved with quantity, and the closing line that compresses his whole thesis into one sentence.If you're building something and you want to think more clearly about how to engineer the next decade, this one's for you.⏱️ Chapters00:00 — The mission01:00 — The Cheshire Cat question (define your North Star first)02:16 — Why we've been trained to seek permission06:32 — The probability mindset: inputs that increase your odds10:34 — The Four Pillar Framework (the decision that took him to Hormozi)15:39 — Chapter two of his next book: The Pyrrhic Victory17:21 — Leaving his twin brother for Las Vegas26:13 — "Would you work with you?"28:22 — Quality is paved with quantity (the mad scientist principle)30:16 — A goals, B goals, C goals (the long game)34:50 — Daily habits, idea compression, and the Picasso napkin43:26 — Identity achievement and the 70/20/10 split for a career49:08 — Where Jay is choosing to live next52:32 — The line he wants to leave you with🔗 Jay's LinksInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/jayyanginspires/Website: https://jayyanginspires.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayyanginspires/Book: https://www.amazon.com/You-Can-Just-Things-Permissionless/dp/B0F3GPZL1CLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jayyanginspiresTwitter/X: https://x.com/JayyanginspiresSupport the show☕ Magic Mind — My daily performance shot:→ https://magicmind.com/wagoner20Use code WAGONER20 for 20% off a package or 48% off a subscription.🧠 More from Jack:► Website: https://jackwagoner.co► Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jack_wagoner_/► 1:1 Coaching: [email protected]📺 Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Jack_Wagoner⸻🎙️ About Jack:I moved to France alone at 16, started my first business at 17, and launched this podcast because I kept meeting people who had the answers to questions I didn't even know I was asking.  My philosophy: you can set massive goals while being deeply fulfilled right now. That's the duality of gratitude and ambition.Subscribe and turn on notifications so you never miss an episode.Stay grateful, stay hungry.