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Open Source bi-weekly convo w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on all things tech, markets, investing & capitalism. This week, they unpack the $3T AI buildout, circular revenue red flags, and whether the boom is becoming a bubble. They dive into the rise of stablecoins and the new financial rails reshaping money, the fight over AI regulation in America, and Billâs next chapterâhis new book Runnin' Down a Dream and what it means to build a career you actually love. Enjoy another episode of BG2!
Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(02:00) Two Years of BG2
(03:45) Bill Stepping Back to Write His Book
(06:00) Runnin' Down a Dream
(07:00) The AI CapEx Bubble?
(09:30) Sham vs. Real Transactions in AI
(11:00) MicrosoftâOpenAI Credits & Cloud Economics
(13:00) Nvidiaâs Investments: Healthy or Hype?
(17:00) CoreWeave, Hidden Leverage & Demand Risks
(19:15) $3 Trillion CapEx: Are We Overbuilding AI?
(21:45) The MAG5 CapEx Surge: Too Much, Too Fast?
(24:30) Metaâs CapEx Comeback & AI ROI
(25:30) OpenAIâs Race for Escape Velocity
(28:30) AI Regulation: State Patchwork Madness
(30:30) Why Federal Preemption Is Critical
(33:15) The Colorado & California AI Acts
(35:00) Stablecoin Surge: $18T in Settlements
(36:45) Gurleyâs Crypto Conversion
(38:30) From PIX to FedNow: The Future of Digital Money
(41:00) Coinbase, Circle, and the 4% Yield Revolution
(43:00) Why Visa & Banks Fear Stablecoins
(45:00) Gurley: âIâm Jumping on the Crypto Trainâ
(46:00) Brad on Invest America (Trump Accounts)
(49:00) Implementation Timeline & Treasury Update
(50:30) Billâs Book: Runnin' Down a Dream
(53:15) The Great Career Reset: Passion vs. Grind
(55:00) Bezosâ Regret Minimization Framework
(57:00) Who the Book Is For
(59:00) Gurleyâs Next Mission
Show Notes:
All-In Summit: Bill Gurley presents 2,851 Miles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9cO3-MLHOM
Plain English: This Is How the AI Bubble Could Burst: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/this-is-how-the-ai-bubble-could-burst/id1594471023?i=1000728026459
Bezosâ Regret Minimization Framework: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwG_qR6XmDQ
Produced by Dan Shevchuk
Music by Yung Spielberg
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Open Source bi-weekly convo w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on all things tech, markets, investing & capitalism. This week, Brad and Clark Tang sit down with Jensen Huang, founder & CEO of NVIDIA, for a sweeping deep dive on the new era of AI. From the $100B partnership with OpenAI to the rise of AI factories, sovereign AI, and protecting the American Dreamâthis episode explores how accelerated computing is reshaping the global economy. NVIDIA, OpenAI, hyperscalers, and global infrastructure: the AI race is on. Donât miss this must-listen BG2.
(00:00) Intro
(0:37) The Year in AI Recap
(3:24) OpenAI Stargate & Nvidia Investment
(8:41) Nvidia Accelerated Compute TAM
(18:55) $NVDA ROI â Glut or Bubble?
(27:45) Roundtripping Claims
(31:10) Annual Release Cadence & Extreme Co-design
(40:45) Future of ASICs & Economics
(53:47) Nvidia's Competitive Moat
(56:55) Elon, X.ai & Colossus 2
(58:47) Sovereign AI & Global Buildout
(1:02:21) The AI Administration
(1:07:43) Chinese AI Chips & NVIDIAâs Role
(1:17:24) H-1B, Talent, & the American Dream
(1:29:33) Invest America & American Right to Rise
(1:37:40) The Future Ahead
Produced by Dan Shevchuk
Music by Yung Spielberg
Available on Apple, Spotify, www.bg2pod.com
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Open Source bi-weekly convo w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on all things tech, markets, investing & capitalism. This week, guest host Altimeterâs Apoorv Agrawal explores how OpenAI is reshaping enterprise with Sherwin Wu, Head of Engineering OpenAI Platform, and Olivier Godement, Head of Product OpenAI Platform. From T-Mobileâs AI voice support to Amgenâs drug breakthroughs to Los Alamosâ air-gapped supercomputerâthis episode dives into the real world of AI at scale. Enjoy another episode of BG2!
Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(01:50) OpenAIâs Enterprise Mission: Beyond ChatGPT
(06:00) Case Study: T-Mobile <> Voice & SupportÂ
(11:30) Case Study: Amgen <> Accelerating Drug Development
(13:45) Case Study: Los Alamos National LabÂ
(17:00) Why 95% of AI Deployments Fail?
(20:30) Physical vs Digital Autonomy: Scaffolding & Infrastructure
(26:00) GPT-5: Release, Benchmarks vs Behavior
(30:00) GPT-5 Feedback: Instruction Following, Hallucinations, Code Quality
(33:00) Multimodality: Text, Voice, and Video
(35:30) Audio: Realtime API vs Stitched Audio
(38:00) Model Customization & Reinforcement Fine-Tuning (RFT)
(43:00) Rapid Fire: Long/Short PicksÂ
(1:03:00) Highlights and Lowlights @ OpenAI
Show Notes:
T-Mobile Partnership: https://www.t-mobile.com/news/business/t-mobile-launches-intentcx-with-openai
Amgen Partnership: https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-amgen/
Los Alamos Partnership: https://www.lanl.gov/media/news/0130-open-ai
MIT AI Report: https://mlq.ai/media/quarterly_decks/v0.1_State_of_AI_in_Business_2025_Report.pdf
Produced by Dan Shevchuk
Music by Yung Spielberg
Available on Apple, Spotify, www.bg2pod.com
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Brad Gerstner @altcap https://x.com/altcap
Bill Gurley @bgurley https://x.com/bgurley
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Apoorv Agrawal @apoorv03 https://x.com/apoorv03
Sherwin Wu @sherwinwu https://x.com/sherwinwu
Olivier Godement @oliviergodement https://x.com/oliviergodement
Open Source bi-weekly convo w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner on all things tech, markets, investing & capitalism. This week, they dive deep into Chinaâs explosive innovation across AI and EVs, the rise of open-source models, lessons for U.S. competitiveness, the real story on tariffs and tradeâand what America must do to win the global tech race. Enjoy another episode of BG2!
Timestamps:
(00:00) Intro
(01:20) OpenAI, Anthropic, Private Market Overheating
(03:30) China's Role in the Global Tech Order
(04:50) Why Bill Went to China
(06:40) Dan Wang's Breakneck: Engineers vs Lawyers
(10:30) Xiaomi, BYD, and Auto Innovation
(14:00) Factory Productivity, Automation, and the Jobs Debate
(15:20) Open Source Model Culture in China
(19:30) Can the US Compete Without Reform?
(23:30) Tariffs, Trade Deals, and a Path to Cooperation
(28:00) Waymo, Baidu, and Cost Innovation
(33:00) Is China Winning Global Trade?
(36:30) Debunking the Subsidy Narrative
(38:30) What the CEOs Who Visit China Actually Say
(41:30) China's AI Ecosystem: DeepSeek, Qwen, Alibaba Cloud
(44:00) Open Source in China and the US: Strategic Choices
(48:00) VC Pullback from China & What's Still Happening on the Ground
(53:00) China's New K-Visa vs US Skilled Immigration Policies
(56:30) Gurley: Read Dan Wangâs Breakneck, Watch the Ground Game
(01:03:00) VC Pullback from China
Show Notes:
Open Source Development in China https://merics.org/sites/default/files/2021-05/MERICS%20Primer%20Open%20Source%202021_0.pdf
Lei Jun 2024 Annual Speech: https://www.youtube.com/live/l5f3wvLwLXY
Produced by Dan Shevchuk
Music by Yung Spielberg
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