“It takes enormous courage and enormous compassion to face reality. To say ‘I want my little contribution to make a difference. Maybe only in the lives of my colleagues, family, and community, but that's enough actually.’”Today's episode is with author and systems thinker, Margaret Wheatley. For over four decades, she's been helping leaders show up fully in these chaotic times and find meaningful ways to serve. She’s the author of Leadership and The New Science and Who Do We Choose To Be?I'll be honest - I find Margaret's work both inspiring and deeply confronting. Part of me appreciates her invitation to look directly at the pattern of societal collapse we're in, relieved someone's telling the truth without sugarcoating. Another part wonders if we can really predict how it'll all turn out.We talk about facing the reality of collapse with clear eyes, redefining meaningful work and life in this context, and how coaches and leaders can move beyond individualism towards community-centered approaches.Check out the episode page for the transcript and the full list of the resources mentioned in this episode: https://widerroots.com/10 Key moments02:33 - The power of clear-eyed leadership in chaotic times09:36 - Embracing reality to find meaningful service13:09 - Breaking free from "hopium" to see our authentic path22:45 - Cultivating presence through mindfulness practices25:42 - Embracing the warrior spirit in a changing world30:39 - Redefining meaningful work and life in turbulent times36:15 - Community as the answer to individualism41:54 - Ancient wisdom we need at these timesResources & LinksMargaretWheatley.comWho Do We Choose To Be (book)Restoring Sanity (book)Leadership in the New Science (book)So Far From Home (book)Warriors for the Human Spirit (Margaret’s training program)Berkana InstitutePema ChodronFollow the podcastWiderRoots.com - Join the newsletter for more resources on personal + systemic transformation@WiderRootsPod - Follow the podcast on Instagram to get a peek behind the scenesLeave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts to help others find this showConnect with Jeremy on his coaching websiteI’d love to hear how this episode resonated with you or any suggestions for future topics/guests. You can email me at [email protected].