The Deep End With Lecrae

_*]:min-w-0 gap-3"> DeVon Franklin is a Hollywood producer, preacher, and New York Times bestselling author. His credits include Miracles from Heaven, Breakthrough, Flamin' Hot, and The Pursuit of Happyness. He is the founder of DeVon Franklin Entertainment. His latest film, Ruth and Boaz, is streaming on Netflix now. In this episode: DeVon's origin in East Oakland, how his father's death at nine years old became the fuel, what he told his congregation at 16, the Paramount deal collapse, the season with no deal after Flamin' Hot, burning the DeVon Franklin Universe pie chart, the Relationship Goals controversy and why he stands behind it, how life imitated art during Ruth and Boaz, the achievement addiction he finally broke, and an exclusive announcement on his next biblical film. Subscribe to The Deep End with Lecrae for more conversations at the intersection of faith, culture, and real life. _______________________________________________ Step Into Reconstruction: https://reconstruct-u.com/ 📱Connect with us on Instagram! - https://www.instagram.com/deependlecrae/ 📱Connect with Lecrae - https://linktr.ee/Lecrae Stream the Deluxe Album: https://music.apple.com/us/album/reconstruction/1828052699 👕 Shop Lecrae Merch: https://lecrae.store/

Former Muslim, attorney, and apologist Abdu Murray spent nine years studying Islam, Christianity, philosophy, and history. By year two, he had enough evidence to convert. It took seven more years to act on it. In this conversation, Abdu and Lecrae go deep on why the cross does not insult God's greatness. It proves it. They explore how identity in Middle Eastern culture can make leaving Islam feel impossible, which Quran passages pointed Abdu toward the Bible, and what his nine-year search looked like from the inside. They also discuss the identity crisis AI is quietly accelerating, why cancel culture is really assassination culture with better branding, why many people are missing the point in the gender conversation, and what it means to answer a person instead of a question. Abdu also shares, for the first time in this conversation, that his father was murdered in October 2024. What Abdu says about that moment, and how it reshaped the way Abdu sees the problem of evil, is worth the whole episode. Topics covered: Islam and Christianity, the problem of evil, apologetics, identity and the imago Dei, AI and human worth, gender ideology, just war theory, deconstruction, and what it costs to tell the truth when your whole family is watching. Abdu Murray is the founder of Embrace the Truth Ministry, author of Fake ID, and host of multiple podcasts reaching millions globally. Find Abdu at embracethetruth.org | @AbduMurray12 on Instagram Subscribe to The Deep End with Lecrae for more conversations at the intersection of faith, culture, and real life. 📱Follow our new instagram! - / deependlecr. . 📱Connect with Lecrae - https://linktr.ee/Lecrae 📮 Join the conversation… Exclusive previews, discounts, bonus content, and more: https://deependwithlecrae.com/ Stream the Album: / reconstruction 👕 Shop Lecrae Merch: https://lecrae.store/

Lecrae sits down with Michael Miller — co-host of Remnant Radio, church planter, and one of the most scripturally grounded voices in the deliverance space — to talk about what the Bible actually says about demons, healing, spiritual authority, and why the charismatic church keeps producing charlatans. No easy answers. No hype. Just a long, honest look at the stuff most pastors won't touch. They get into: Michael's journey from a broken home with a Jewish mother and Mormon father to being discipled by Jack Deere. Why the cessationist argument doesn't hold up scripturally. What "demonization" actually means in Greek — and why "possession" is the wrong word. Whether Christians can have demons (spoiler: the early church didn't debate it). The Scottish border clan curse from 1525 that's still showing up in prayer sessions. How to tell a false prophet from a real one. Why prophecy is supposed to be local — and why the YouTube prophets keep getting it wrong. And Lecrae shares his own story: the name he kept praying over for weeks, the girl who couldn't walk, and what happened when he finally said it out loud. 📱Follow our new instagram! - https://www.instagram.com/deependlecr... 📱Connect with Lecrae - https://linktr.ee/Lecrae 📮 Join the conversation… Exclusive previews, discounts, bonus content, and more: https://deependwithlecrae.com/ Stream the Album: https://music.apple.com/us/album/reconstruction/1828052699 👕 Shop Lecrae Merch: https://lecrae.store/ 0:00 The First Demon He Ever Encountered 1:07 Introducing Michael Miller 4:42 A Jewish Mother, a Mormon Father, and a Hidden Bible 7:00 Why He Couldn't Handle the Pentecostal Packaging 8:25 Praying to Be Discipled by Jack Deere (And It Worked) 9:17 [Ad: Talkiatry] 11:30 Lecrae's Background: The Spooky Stuff Was Off Limits 13:56 Why Lecrae Started Digging Into the Supernatural 15:26 How Michael Got Grounded in Scripture on Spiritual Things 18:18 John Wimber Prayed for the Sick for Three Years With Nothing 20:03 The First Time Michael Actually Saw Something 23:10 The Night Before: He Was Frustrated With God 25:17 Who Believes in This and Who Doesn't 27:45 So When It Comes to Demons... 28:32 The Full Story: The Demon in South Africa 33:25 Why Did It Listen to You and Not Her? 38:07 Christian Authority Over Demons: It's Position, Not Gift 40:46 Can Christians Have Demons? 44:29 The Greek Word "Demonize" and Why It Changes Everything 46:56 What Tertullian Said (The Guy Who Invented the Word "Trinity") 49:25 The Scottish Border Clan Curse From 1525 54:09 What Makes a Curse Effective? 59:16 Why Michael Miller Is Not Afraid of Demons 1:01:48 The Woman in Austria: Endometriosis and What Happened Next 1:03:08 What Even Is a Demon? Nephilim, Fallen Angels, and Where Things Get Weird 1:07:44 Lecrae Breaks Down His Charismatic Journey 1:09:13 How Do You Tell a False Prophet From a Real One? 1:11:22 The YouTube Prophets Are Getting It Wrong 1:16:13 Can the Charismatic Church Self-Correct? 1:18:38 What Do You Do If You Know the Gifts Are Real But Keep Seeing Abuse? 1:20:39 Make Prophecy Local Again: The Story of Sally 1:23:36 Lecrae's Own Story: The Name He Kept Hearing 1:28:32 Specific Prayers, Legal Rights, and When You Have to Name the Thing 1:33:24 The Woman in Denmark Who Was Living in Sin (And Didn't Know It) 1:37:18 Can Regular Friends Pray for Your Deliverance? 1:38:27 Where to Find Michael Miller

For three seasons, people have been asking the same question: what does Lecrae's wife actually think about all of this? She said no every time. Until now. Darragh Moore has been behind the scenes since before the music, before the Grammys, before any of it. She engineered his first album, supported him through clinical depression, sent him to the BET Cipher while she was in labor, and kept the family grounded while the world got louder. She's never needed the spotlight, and that's exactly why this conversation matters. This is the episode Lecrae's audience has been waiting three seasons for. _______________________________________________ 📱Follow our new instagram! - https://www.instagram.com/deependlecr... 📱Connect with Lecrae - https://linktr.ee/Lecrae 📮 Join the conversation… Exclusive previews, discounts, bonus content, and more: https://deependwithlecrae.com/ Stream the Album: https://music.apple.com/us/album/reconstruction/1828052699 👕 Shop Lecrae Merch: https://lecrae.store/ ________________________________________________