Drinks in the Library
Drinks in the Library

Drinks in the Library

Gigi Howard

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Drinks in the library, the only library where drinks aren’t just allowed, they are required! Each episode librarian Gigi Howard interviews a guest about their favorite book and we pair it with a drink for you to make at home or share with your next book club meet-up!

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This is the Honey by Kwame Alexander with Nick George The Poet
DEC 16, 2025
This is the Honey by Kwame Alexander with Nick George The Poet
<p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Hello Libration Nation! This week I am joined by Nick George, a poet and educator, to discuss <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/this-is-the-honey-an-anthology-of-contemporary-black-poets-kwame-alexander/3c385d332d87fd9e?ean=9780316417525&amp;next=t"><em>This Is The Honey</em> </a>an anthology of poems edited by <a href="https://kwamealexander.com/">Kwame Alexander.</a> We talked about Nick’s journey with poetry, the significance of diverse voices in poetic anthologies, and the importance of seeing yourself reflected in stories. We read and analyze poems from the anthology, including works by Mahogany L. Brown and Jabari Asim. This is the last episode of 2025 as I’m taking a little break to relax and spend time with my family. Looking forward to some great episodes coming out in 2026!</p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.nickgeorgethepoet.com/">Nicholas Steven George </a>(or, Nick George the Poet) is a poet, educator, DJ and facilitator. He has performed at venues such as TedXCharlottesville, American Psychology Association Annual Convention, University of Lynchburg &amp; Opera Roanoke. In performing his original work, he has opened for renowned poets like Jasmine Mans, Levi the Poet, Alysia Harris, Black Ice &amp; Joshua Bennett.&nbsp;His work dwells at the intersection of culture, identity and spirituality. He has been writing, performing, and teaching for more than two decades. Nick’s award-winning work has been featured in a variety of industries and highlighted on platforms on the local and nationwide scale, ranging from private group facilitation and workshops, 1 on 1 coaching, and virtual/in-person performances. Find him on <a href="https://www.nickgeorgethepoet.com/">his website </a>or on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/nickgeorgethepoet/">social media.</a></p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Moscow Mule</p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">2 oz vodka</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">1 oz fresh lime juice</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">4 oz ginger beer</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Fresh mint leaves (about 8-10)</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Lime wedge (for garnish)</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Ice</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Copper mug (traditional)</p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">In the bottom of a copper mug, add the fresh mint leaves. Gently muddle them with a muddler or the back of a spoon to release their oils.</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Fill the mug with ice cubes.</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Pour the vodka and fresh lime juice over the ice.</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><strong>T</strong>op off with ginger beer, stirring gently to combine all ingredients.</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Garnish with a lime wedge and a sprig of fresh mint.</p><p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Enjoy your refreshing Moscow Mule!</p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><strong>In this Episode</strong></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://drinks-in-the-library.myspreadshop.com/">Drinks in the Library Merch</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/sonia-sanchez">Sonya Sanchez</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/langston-hughes">Langston Hughes</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46446/still-i-rise">Still I Rise by Maya Angelou</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.artsy.net/article/museummammy-black-art-by-amiri-baraka">Amiri Baraka Black Art</a></p>
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The Gunslinger by Stephen King with Bill Blume
DEC 9, 2025
The Gunslinger by Stephen King with Bill Blume
<p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Hello libration nation! This week's book is <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-dark-tower-i-the-gunslinger-stephen-king/c1b1288cf09aa02e?ean=9781501143519&amp;next=t"><em>The Gunslinger </em></a>by Stephen King a dark twisted fantasy novel and the first book in King’s<em> The Dark Tower </em>series. It follows the journey of Roland Deschain, the last gunslinger, as he traverses a desolate and mysterious landscape in pursuit of the enigmatic Man in Black. The story blends elements of fantasy, horror, and Western, exploring themes of destiny, obsession, and the nature of good and evil, as Roland confronts both external foes and his own inner demons on his quest to reach the Dark Tower, the nexus of all universes.</p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><strong>Guest</strong></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.billblume.net/">Bill Blume </a>was determined to be a writer from a young age, often taking the lead in crafting adventures during childhood games in South Carolina. After graduating from the University of South Carolina with a degree in Broadcast Journalism, he worked as a TV news producer before transitioning to a dispatcher role for Henrico County Police in 2001. In Richmond, he and his wife became active in the local writing community, contributing to <a href="https://jamesriverwriters.org/">James River Writers,</a> where he served on the board and continues to engage with fellow writers and industry professionals.He is the author of several books, and has an upcoming novel, <em>To Hell and Back </em>coming out January 20th, 2026.</p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Our drink this week was a Dark &amp; Stormy, the perfect dark and spicy drink to pair with an anti-hero like Roland Deschain.</p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><strong>In This Episode</strong></p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/1u68ow/shitty_first_drafts/">Sh*tty First Draft - Anne Lamott</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://screenrant.com/star-wars-george-lucas-special-edition-changes-reasons/">George Lucas Star Wars changes</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDarkTower/comments/32w89n/original_the_gunslinger_vs_revised_edition/">Original Gunslinger vs. Revised Edition</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/shiver-shiver-book-1-maggie-stiefvater/f334225cf8d54b44?ean=9780545682787&amp;next=t"><em>Shiver </em></a>by Maggie Steifvater</p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://jamesriverwriters.org/">James River Writers</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/shiver-shiver-book-1-maggie-stiefvater/f334225cf8d54b44?ean=9780545682787&amp;next=t">Books by Stephen King</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Planets">Battle of the Planets Series</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/beta-search?keywords=Malinda+lo">Malinda Lo Books</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/beta-search?keywords=NK+Jemison">NK Jemison Books</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/beta-search?keywords=Erin+Bowman">Erin Bowman Books</a> </p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/west-of-apocalypse-bill-blume/0fd66bdedc79a27e?ean=9798218199395&amp;next=t">West of Apocalypse </a>by Bill Blume</p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://richmondspca.org/">Richmond SPCA</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.ral.org/">Richmond Animal League</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://sarahglennmarsh.com/">Sarah Glenn Marsh&nbsp;</a></p>
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Kindred by Octavia Butler with Alethea McCollin
DEC 2, 2025
Kindred by Octavia Butler with Alethea McCollin
<p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">This week’s book is <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/kindred-octavia-butler/98cd7991f8b05d7a?ean=9780807083697&amp;next=t"><em>Kindred&nbsp;</em></a><em> </em>by Octavia Butler, a time-traveling story about Dana, who goes back in time to ensure the survival of her ancestors: an enslaved woman named Alice and her enslaver, Rufus. This complicated yet entrancing narrative is multifaceted, and my guest this week, Alethea McCollin, and I had a great conversation about the ways Butler challenges her readers to think about the implications of our actions and how they shape the future.</p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://aletheamccollin.com/">Alethea McCollin</a> is a multifaceted artist as a playwright, director, producer, actor, and founder of Orange Stilettos Productions, llc, known for her award-winning production of <em>The Stilettos Monologues</em> at the Atlanta Black Theatre Festival. She has produced various works, including her play <em>Renaming Shaim</em> at Theatre Row, New York City, and directed her first short film, <em>The Next Great Writer,</em> showcased at the Virginia Screenwriters Forum. Additionally, Alethea serves as Executive Secretary on the Board of Directors of <a href="https://jamesriverwriters.org/">James River Writers </a>and is an English instructor at <a href="https://www.vsu.edu/">Virginia State University</a>.</p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Our drink this week is one of Alethea’s favorite’s: <a href="https://www.bigelowtea.com/products/blackberry-citrus-plus-zinc-herbal-tea?srsltid=AfmBOoq6EK_qexJYX2LizCmEUcjKb2NT1CrEnnPUEzwss3Dk7W7oC_MA">Blackberry Citrus Tea</a>, which is perfect for sitting by the fire curling up with a good book!</p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><strong>In this Episode</strong></p><p class="p2" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://drinks-in-the-library.myspreadshop.com/">Drinks in the Library Merch</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/kindred-octavia-butler/98cd7991f8b05d7a?ean=9780807083697&amp;next=t"><em>Kindred </em></a>by Octavia Butler</p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://jamesriverwriters.org/">James River Writers</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.vsu.edu/">Virginia State University</a><a href="https://bookshop.org/beta-search?keywords=Toni+Morrison">Books by Toni Morrison</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/beta-search?keywords=Gabrielle+Garcia+Marquez">Books by Gabrielle García Márquez</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/beta-search?keywords=Isabel+allende">Books by Isabel Allende</a></p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/narrative-of-the-life-of-frederick-douglass-an-american-slave-incidents-in-the-life-of-a-slave-girl-frederick-douglass/258a876f8b48f003?ean=9780345478238&amp;next=t"><em>Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglas, an American Slave </em></a>by Frederick Douglas</p><p class="p1" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-heaven-earth-grocery-store-a-novel-james-mcbride/f2dccd731e81117a?ean=9780593422953&amp;next=t"><em>The Heaven and Earth Grocery Store</em></a> by James McBride</p>
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Animorphs by KA Applegate with Fiona Fenn (Redux)
NOV 25, 2025
Animorphs by KA Applegate with Fiona Fenn (Redux)
<p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><em>Happy Thanksgiving! I’m taking the week to relax with family. Please enjoy the re-airing of this recording, which originally aired December 17, 2024.</em></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Hello Libration Nation! This week we are discussing the classic series <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/series/40442-animorphs"><strong><em>Animorphs</em></strong></a>by K.A. Applegate. <em>Animorphs</em> is a collection of 54 middle-grade books in which five young adults are gifted the power to morph into animals. It was a bit of a cult phenomenon when it was originally published in the late '90s and has recently seen a resurgence online.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">My guest is <strong>Fiona Fenn</strong>. Fiona is an author of fantasy novels that put complicated “heroes” front and center. A fan of villains, redemption arcs, and intense explorations of healing in all its forms, her debut novel, <a href="https://books2read.com/TCATHOE"><strong><em>The Crack at the Heart of Everything,</em></strong></a> is a love letter to every villain who wanted to do better but never got the chance.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">I so enjoyed this conversation with Fiona, talking about the <em>Animorphs</em> series and her love for it, as well as her experience writing and publishing her first novel and everything that goes into this process.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Our drink this week is a Flying Saucer, as the <em>Animorphs</em> series begins with the kids meeting an alien who has flown to Earth</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bevvy.co/cocktail/flying-saucer/vhca"><strong>Flying Saucer Recipe (from Bevvy.com)</strong></a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><strong>INGREDIENTS</strong></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">1 oz Amaretto Di Saronno liqueur</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">1 oz Kahlua coffee liqueur</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">3 oz cream</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">3 oz ice</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Combine in blender until smooth and creamy, serve with cinnamon stick for garnish!</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><strong>In this Episode</strong></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://fionafennwrites.com/">Fiona Fenn’s Website</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://books2read.com/TCATHOE">Buy The Crack at the Heart of Everything by Fiona Fenn</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/series/45284-gone">Michael Grant Gone series</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://tinyfoxpress.com/">Tiny Fox Press</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.animorphspodcasts.com/podcast/animorphs-aloud/">Animorphs Aloud</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.queerliberationlibrary.org/libby">Queer Liberation Library</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://katherineapplegate.com/">KA Applegate Website</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/animorphs-books-now-free-read-about-kids-shapeshifting-into-rats-and-cats/">Free Animorphs PDFs</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://fionafenn.substack.com">Fiona Fenn’s Substack</a></p>
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The Flatshare by Beth O’Leary with Ashley Jones
NOV 18, 2025
The Flatshare by Beth O’Leary with Ashley Jones
<p data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-flatshare-a-novel-beth-o-leary/54a74641206389e4?ean=9781250295651&amp;next=t"><em>The Flatshare </em></a>by Beth O’Leary is a charming romantic comedy about two strangers, Tiffy and Leon, who share a London flat but have never met, communicating only through notes. As they navigate their unconventional living arrangement, they gradually develop a deep connection that leads to unexpected romance.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">My guest this week is the hilarious Ashley Jones, who dreams of owning a stationery store and recapping reality TV for a living (dream big), all while aiming to finally shoot a T-shirt gun, an ambition she’s pursued for over a decade. Ashley is one of my favorite people I follow on social media, and I hope you follow her there too! You can find Ashley on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/ashleyjonesy/">@AshleyJonesy</a>, Threads <a href="https://www.threads.com/@ashleyjonesy">@AshleyJonesy</a>, on TikTok <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@ohashleyjonesy?lang=en">@ohashleyjonesy </a>and NOW on her just launched substack <a href="https://ashleyjonesy.substack.com/">Yap Time</a>: The Newsletter you read before a nap.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">I had such a great time chatting with Ashley, we share so many of the same passions (Bravo shows, Taylor Swift, Pop Culture in general) that we frequently got off topic and I had to cut a good portion of the show, which I will be calling “The Lost Episode”, which will not be released and will become part of the lore of the show until fans clamor for me to release it 10 years from now, a la “All Too Well” 10 minute version, which is a Taylor reference and I promise that’s the last one, at least for the podcast intro!</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;">Together we delve into the plot of <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-flatshare-a-novel-beth-o-leary/54a74641206389e4?ean=9781250295651&amp;next=t"><em>The Flatshare </em></a>, focusing on the characters' humanity and the book's feel-good nature. Ashley reflects on how the book changed her perspective on reading for enjoyment. We also talked about the value of empathy, dealing with insecurities, and the joy of following passions, ending the conversation with a nod to Ashley’s love for Sonic's Coke Zero and styrofoam cups.</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><strong>In This Episode</strong></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/09/sports/football/jason-travis-kelce-super-bowl-brothers.html">Kelce Bowl</a> (Super Bowl LVII)</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.instagram.com/nglwithkylie/?hl=en">Not Gonna Lie</a> (Kylie Kelce’s Podcast - my #1 rival!)</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://genius.com/Sara-bareilles-orpheus-lyrics">Orpheus </a>by Sara Bareilles</p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://virginiamercury.com/2025/06/23/styrofoam-containers-will-soon-be-banned-in-virginia/">Styrofoam cups outlawed in Virginia</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.sonicdrivein.com/">Sonic Drive In</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://www.betholearyauthor.com/">Beth O’Leary’s Website</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://bookshop.org/beta-search?keywords=beth+o%27leary">Books by Beth O’Leary</a></p><p class="" data-rte-preserve-empty="true" style="white-space:pre-wrap;"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Goldstein">Brett Goldstein</a></p>
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