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[00:00:00] Welcome to Real Estate is Taxing, where we talk about all things real estate tax, and break down complex concepts into understandable, entertaining tax topics. My name is Natalie Kolodij, I'm your host, and I am so excited that you've decided to join me.

[00:00:23] Hello. Hello everyone. And welcome to this week's episode. The past several months, I have attended multiple conferences, tax conferences, real estate conferences, all across the country. Various venues. And it got me thinking about one of my favorite travel business topic. Overlaps. Which is when you can and when you can not. Deduct travel on a cruise ship. 

[00:00:53] There's a lot of blogs and articles out there, but they're all fairly vague or they give very [00:01:00] generalized steps and don't really talk about the feasibility of it. Or actual examples of it. I spent some time today searching for some court cases related to this topic. And there really aren't any specific to cruise ship travel as its own deduction. 

[00:01:19] I couldn't find it as a focus point of a case. I did find some court cases that were semi-related we'll chat about one of those at the end. But outside of that, there's not a ton of guidance because it's pretty cut and dry. 

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[00:01:34] The code section for this hasn't changed since 1982. So there haven't been any big updates or anything that really needed to be contested in recent years. So let's get into it. There are two different ways you can potentially write off a cruise as a business expense. Both of these are covered in code section [00:02:00] 2 74 M and they are split between addressing conventions on cruise ships. And then a secondary category known as luxury water travel. So starting off with conventions on cruise ships. This is something that I hear about pretty often. I think anyone in the tax industry and real estate in a lot of industries, There are multiple cruises per year related to most industries that you can choose to attend. 

[00:02:33] It will be in most cases, a seven day cruise. They will buy a room block the same way they would for a conference at a hotel or a resort. And then everything takes place on the cruise. There are however many hours of education. There are, different conference related events and networking. 

[00:02:51] They're renting out general speaking areas. And attendees pay for the room. And the cruise fare, it's all typically rolled [00:03:00] into one price. So these are marketed pretty frequently. And I have most often seen these marketed as a deductible business expense. But the truth of it is very rarely. Is a conference or an educational event on a cruise ship. Going to just easily be deductible. So let's start off with the first. Addressing of this. 

[00:03:29] So let's look at how the code words, this. In the case of any individual who attends a convention, seminar, or other meeting, which is held on any cruise ship. No deduction shall be allowed under section 1 62 for expenses allocable to such meeting. Unless the taxpayer meets the requirements of paragraph five. And establishes that the meeting is directly related to the active [00:04:00] conduct of his or her trade or business. So code section 1 62. Is the part of the tax code that explains ordinary and necessary business expenses. As a starting point, attending a convention seminar, et cetera, on a cruise ship. Is only a business deduction. If it directly relates to the taxpayers ongoing trader business, that makes sense. Next part. Again, it is directly related to the active conduct of his or her trader business. And that, and then it goes on to list two requirements. Requirement number one, the cruise ship is a vessel that is registered in the United States. And requirement number two. All ports of call of that cruise ship are located in the United States or in possession of the United States. 

[00:04:53] So when we just start off with looking at these two initial requirements, I will [00:05:00] let you guess how many cruise ships you think fit the bill? If we are looking at large commercial cruise lines. there's a thousand, 2000 people on board, maybe more. It normally is a week long, goes out to a few islands, go somewhere else. But we're not talking about like a river cruise or one of those little boats that'll fit like a hundred to 300 people, But one of those large commercial cruise ships, where there is a buffet and like a kid's club and water slides and all of that. One we're looking at that level of cruise ship. There is one. Singular ship that meets the requirement. Norwegian cruise lines, pride of America based in Hawaii is us registered. And it is the only large commercial cruise lines, cruise ship. That is us registered. Most cruise ships are registered to other countries for a variety of reasons. So just right off the bat, most cruise [00:06:00] ships are not going to meet this requirement. The vast majority of cruises and cruise ships do not check the boxes. To be able to write off a convention or seminar that is held on a cruise ship. If it did, let's say that. Your industry is hosting a cruise that goes to Hawaii on that pride of America cruise ship. So it is us registered and it is only going to the United States. 

[00:06:28] then there is a $2,000 expense limit. For the total cost of that cruise with that seminar or convention. Total expense CAPTA, $2,000. In addition to that, if you happen to find a cruise that ticks all of the boxes and does qualify. To write off as a convention or an event that is held on a cruise ship. There's a whole bunch of reporting requirements that are required as [00:07:00] well. for the tax year where you're claiming that deduction. You also need to include. A written statement. Signed by the individual attending the meeting. 

[00:07:10] That includes information about the trip, the total days that excludes the transport to, and from the cruise ship. The number of hours each day of the trip where you devoted to only business activities. You need to include a program or schedule for all of the business activities or meetings. And any other information that might be required by the secretary. 

[00:07:36] Additionally, you also need to include. A written statement signed by an officer of the organization or group sponsoring the meeting or the conference. And that has to include. A schedule of the business activities for each day, the number of hours, which you attended those business activity. And any other [00:08:00] information as might be required by the secretary. so for the amount that we are fed and marketed cruises that are a tax deduction and attending these seminars on a cruise that are going to be a write off, they're likely not going to be. And in the rare event, they are. They're a huge pain in the ass to include everything you need to on your tax return to claim that deduction. So that's not a very likely option. 

[00:08:27] It's not my favorite option. But that's what we have for the availability of writing off a convention or a seminar that is specifically held on a cruise ship.

[00:08:39] The next option that I think is the far better choice. Is looking at your crews under the definition of luxury...

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[00:00:00] Welcome to Real Estate is Taxing, where we talk about all things real estate tax, and break down complex concepts into understandable, entertaining tax topics. My name is Natalie Kolodij, I'm your host, and I am so excited that you've decided to join me.

[00:00:23] Hello. Hello everyone. Welcome to this week's episode. This summer has been a pretty good summer for tax court cases. And what I mean is that there have just been several that I specifically have enjoyed and thought were interesting. And that's because there have been a handful that relate to real estate. 

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[00:00:46] Now I love anything court related. I love reading true crime books. I love listening to the podcast. So for me, Reading tax court cases is extra exciting. But even [00:01:00] if you do not find that as cool as I do. These are still something that you should hold at least a little bit of interest in. The tax code itself is very rarely black and white. 

[00:01:12] There's a lot of room for interpretation. There's a whole lot of guidance and nuance that happens after the code is written. And the tax court results are really just one of those pieces of guidance. Reading these court cases. Really does give us fantastic insight to the way the courts have been leaning on some of these topics that are in that gray area. And when it comes to real estate, there's plenty of gray area that we love playing in with the tax code. So getting these more recent kind of thoughts from the tax court. Getting this feedback, seeing how they're viewing things. 

[00:01:55] This is invaluable. What I have for you guys today. [00:02:00] Is two court cases that are both tax court summary opinions from this summer. So these are super recent from July and August. And both are related to real estate. 

[00:02:11] The first case that I want to walk you guys through is from last month, this came out August 20, 24. This is TC summary, 2024 dash 17. Eason V commissioner. So this case was interesting because it deals with a topic that comes up pretty frequently when it comes to real estate in two different capacities. The first one being, if you pay for one of those 40, 50, $60,000 real estate guru courses, is it deductible? 

[00:02:45] And when is, or isn't it. And the other part of the question being, if you are new in real estate. When does your business actually begin? When are you open for business where you can start writing [00:03:00] off? All of your costs that are incurred. So those were the two big questions that came up in this case. 

[00:03:08] So this summary opinion relates to a couple who owned two rentals in 2016. One of them, they maintained as a rental. The second rental property they had sold by June of 2016. So at this point, they've got a little bit of real estate experience. They just actively got rid of half of their real estate business that existed, so to speak. 

[00:03:33] So they've got one rental left. 

[00:03:35] That same year. The taxpayer in this case. Lost his job. Close to the beginning of the year, the taxpayer lost his job. And the couple started looking into other ways they could supplement their income and other opportunities to help make up. For that last paycheck, they were used to getting. And one of the things they came across was real estate investing. So [00:04:00] they were already a little bit familiar with it and they had some experience with rentals, but they stumbled across an ad for a real estate course or courses that you could take. That would teach you how to invest presumably. In some capacity. The court case does not go into the details. Of exactly what was covered in that course or those courses. But what it does say is that the taxpayer and the spouse decided to invest in this And they spend $41,934 on two different courses from this same real estate. Uh, quote, education provider. So once they bought these courses, The couple, then went on to set up an S corporation. So they established an S Corp in July of 2016. And they got some business cards. They got some custom branded stationary. [00:05:00] But outside of that, Nothing else really happened. So there was no additional purchases of real estate. There were no proven efforts at marketing. For a real estate. 

[00:05:14] There was no proven efforts at advertising that they were in the market to buy real estate. Really not a whole lot else happened after they set up this S corporation and bought some business cards. Also worth noting. Is that by 2018. So within a year and a half from when they purchased these large expensive courses. The company through whom they had bought the courses. Went out of business. So another piece to this specific case that was taken into account by the tax court. Was the fact that this couple did anticipate having this ongoing support and resources. And all of this training and the moon and the sun and [00:06:00] everything else gurus promise you when you give them $40,000. And by 2018. None of it was there. 

[00:06:07] It had all disappeared. The company went under and they were now on their own. 

[00:06:12] So the year in question. For this couple's court case is 2016. So 2016 is the year when, as a recap, they had one rental property. They had sold off their other rental. Husband lost his job and they paid 40,000 plus dollars to accompany for real estate education. They then set up an S corporation, got some business cards and stationary. And that was the extent of the business operations. 

[00:06:44] in this case, there were a few key considerations. That were looked at. The first consideration. Is. Under code section 1 62. When is the taxpayer entitled to [00:07:00] deduct? An expense as a business expense that is ordinary and necessary. Like when is it rightfully able to be deducted? And a part of the wording to that code section. Is that it relates to ordinary or necessary expenses paid or incurred? During a tax year in quote, carrying on any trader business. Now a lot of businesses do not make money for their first few years. 

[00:07:29] That's not uncommon. A lot of businesses lose lots of money for multiple years that does not make or break whether or not someone is operating a business. However, in this case. There was all of the expense with none of the income, but also none of the proven effort to generate income. And none of the provable attempts. To actually continue to operate a business after buying the course, setting up the company, buying some [00:08:00] business cards that was the end of their effort. So for 2016, This couple reported over $40,000 of expenses as deductible business expenses. But when the court went back and looked, they really had no proof. That a good faith attempt was made. To actually run or operate or carry on a trader business. Part of the reason why. Is that it was never clearly defined what this couple's...

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Introduction

[00:00:00] Welcome to Real Estate is Taxing, where we talk about all things real estate tax, and break down complex concepts into understandable, entertaining tax topics. My name is Natalie Kolodij, I'm your host, and I am so excited that you've decided to join me.

[00:00:23] Hello. Hello everyone. We have just made it past the first fall extension deadline. Any 10 65 partnerships or 1120-S S corporations were due on September 16th this year. So we've just passed that hurdle. And part of what I realized this year is that there are a lot of people who don't know they've created an entity.

[00:00:49] They're not aware that they have a partnership. I've talked about this before. Or there are people who create the entity, they create a partnership or they create an S corporation, but they don't really know. Or their tax professional didn't give them a good rundown on what the differences are, what is required for filing, and what will be different because you now have this entity.

[00:01:12] So if you are someone who has a partnership or an S corporation, and you do not have formal bookkeeping, you don't have full QuickBooks, you don't have a bookkeeper, then this episode is for you. So I will note if you are using Tessa for your rental properties and you have a partnership, this is not formal bookkeeping.

[00:01:33] It's not a true bookkeeping system or a true double-entry platform. So while Tessa is great for keeping track of a profit and loss, and just keeping track of your income and your expenses for a property, once you move into a separate tax return, once you move into a 10 65 partnership filing, there's more information we need to keep track of, and it doesn't do this very well.

Preparing for 2024 Tax Year

[00:01:57] For today's show, I'm going to talk through some of the differences, like why we need more information for these returns and what information you should start gathering now to help prepare for the upcoming filing for the 2024 tax year.

[00:02:18] So I'm trying to give you a little bit of a head start. It's quarter four, so you have time to either find and hire a good bookkeeper to help you get books before the end of the year or start gathering all of the information I'm going to talk about so that you have a jump on all of the information your accountant is going to need. If you go to a tax professional and they're not asking for all of this information, while they might technically be doing your tax return, they're doing it in the most surface level numbers on forms way possible.

[00:03:00] What kind of talk about that a little bit more. But I recently had a new client who went to a large well-known tax and attorney firm. And last year for their entity return, where they didn't have full books, they just had the client complete an organizer.

[00:03:09] So they just used whatever information he told them—whatever amounts for bank account balances, etc. They did not ask for any of the actual documents to check any of this. And if that's the case, there's close to a 0% chance your return is accurate.

Costs of Entity Creation

[00:03:27] So let's dive into it. Let's start off with what happens when you create a partnership or an S-corporation.

[00:03:35] The first thing that I want people to consider when they are creating a partnership or creating an S corporation is that this creates a whole new, additional tax return. So there's a whole separate filing. Even though something might not have changed with your business last year, you might've had two rentals and they were on your personal return, and this year you have two rentals and now they're in a partnership, there's a whole additional filing.

[00:04:05] Entities require more information. There's more we have to track, and there's more you have to do. So the first consideration I want you to be aware of if this is going to be your first year with a partnership or an S-corp is that it's going to cost more money if you go somewhere to have your taxes done.

[00:04:21] Now how much more it's going to cost, I can't say for sure because different firms, different locations, and different levels of expertise or specialization are going to impact that pricing. But like with anything, there's going to be higher-end and lower-end and everything in between. The same way you can get a steak at an Applebee's for $8.99, or you can go to a Ruth’s Chris and pay $89, it's across the board.

[00:04:50] The price point I most often see for entity preparation at better tax firms is going to be a minimum of $1,500 to $2,000 per return for just the filing.

[00:05:02] So keep that in mind when you're looking to create an entity or switch over to being a partnership or an S-corp. Kind of pencil in that ballpark number into your mind as an additional cost. And that number tends to surprise people when they have multiple entities. I think because the big picture price point can add up really quickly, and it's not expected.

[00:05:57] If you look at one of the commonly well-known self-prepare software online, you can do your own entity return. It costs $800 for you to do it yourself with their software or $1,750 for you to have one of their quote tax professionals do it for you. If it's going to cost you $800 just to do it yourself, if you're going to a firm and an expert is doing it for less than that, to me, that would be a little bit of a warning.

[00:06:00] I would just be a little cautious there.

Bookkeeping vs. Tax Preparation

[00:06:02] So now you're aware of the additional costs that can come into play for just the filing. What else might you run into? Well, the next consideration is that bookkeeping and tax preparation are typically separate engagements.

[00:06:50] So if you are expecting to give someone a pile of receipts and bank statements and all of that, and have them organize it into categories and make sure everything ties together, and then use that ending information of total costs for all of your different expense categories to then prepare a tax return, that is bookkeeping.

[00:06:50] So if they're starting with raw information that's not organized at all for the whole entire year, that's going to be an additional cost. That would be a whole separate cost. So be aware of that. If you do not have formal bookkeeping, you don't have QuickBooks and a bookkeeper, at the very least you will want to make sure you have the following information together ahead of time for your tax professional, unless you are also intending to pay for bookkeeping.

[00:07:00] If you don't want to do that, you're going to want to listen on because these are the bare mi...

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 Introduction to the September 15th (16th) Deadline
[00:00:00] Hello. Hello everyone. And welcome to today's show. So we are only a few days away from the extended deadline for entity tax returns. This deadline specifically applies to pass-through entities, which typically include partnerships and S-Corporations. Normally, this deadline is September 15th, but this year, because the 15th falls on a weekend, the deadline is technically extended to Monday, September 16th. While this is the extended deadline for entities, keep in mind that the extended personal tax return deadline remains October 15th.

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 Entities Affected by the Deadline
[00:00:37] Today’s show is going to focus on the September 15th (16th) deadline—who it applies to, common misconceptions about it, and what your options are if you think you might miss this deadline. To start, this deadline applies to S-Corporations and partnerships, both of which are pass-through entities. These tax returns are typically due on March 15th. However, if you filed for an extension, you were granted an additional six months to file, pushing the deadline to September 15th (or 16th this year). It’s important to note that an extension to file does not mean an extension to pay any taxes owed, just like with your personal return.

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 Recap: What Are S-Corps and Partnerships?
[00:01:18] Let’s quickly recap what qualifies as an S-Corporation or a partnership. Many people may not even realize that they have one of these entities. An S-Corporation is either a C Corporation that has elected to be taxed as an S-Corp or an LLC that has chosen to be taxed as an S-Corp. To make this election, you would file Form 2553. You don’t need to change your LLC into a corporation first—it’s a single step to make this election. On the other hand, partnerships are formed in various ways, but they typically involve more than one person operating the business. Even without a formal entity, if more than one person is involved, you may have created a partnership.

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Understanding Partnerships: Common Situations
[00:02:28] The other common type of entity that is affected by this deadline is partnerships. Partnerships can be formed in a variety of ways, but the most common is the general partnership, where more than one person operates a business, even without a formal legal entity. Additionally, any LLC with more than one member (a multi-member LLC) will generally be considered a partnership for tax purposes unless it has made a different tax election. This often surprises people, as they might set up an LLC and add a spouse or a business partner without realizing they’ve created a partnership, requiring them to file Form 1065, the partnership tax return. For example, if you and a friend create an LLC to invest in real estate and split the proceeds 50/50, you’ve inadvertently formed a partnership and must file the corresponding tax return.

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When a Multi-Member LLC is a Partnership
[00:03:31] This situation is particularly common with multi-member LLCs. Often, people will set up an LLC and add their spouse to it, not realizing that in many states, they are now required to file a partnership return. Another frequent scenario occurs when individuals join forces for a small business venture, such as a real estate deal with a friend, where they both list themselves as owners on the LLC. Without knowing it, they’ve created a partnership and will need to file Form 1065. However, there is an exception for married couples in community property states: if the only members of the LLC are you and your spouse, and you live in a community property state, you may not have to file a partnership return at all. Instead, you might be able to treat the LLC as a disregarded entity.

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 Special Considerations for Married Couples in Community Property States
[00:04:27] If you are married and live in a community property state, and the only members of your multi-member LLC are you and your spouse, you might be able to treat the LLC as a disregarded entity, avoiding the need to file a partnership return. If you and your spouse are operating a business without any formal entity, you have the option of filing as a qualified joint venture. In this case, you would each report your share of the business income and expenses on separate Schedule C forms as part of your individual tax returns, instead of filing a partnership return. These are a few nuances where you might not be required to file a partnership return, but in most cases, having a multi-member LLC will necessitate filing Form 1065.

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Filing Deadline for Entities: March 15th or Extended to September 15th
[00:05:00] Remember, if you have an S-Corp or partnership, your tax return is normally due on March 15th. If you file for an extension, you get an additional six months, pushing the deadline to September 15th (or in this year’s case, September 16th, since the 15th falls on a weekend). Even if you file for an extension, be aware that this doesn’t extend your time to pay any taxes owed. If you haven’t filed yet, or if you’re not ready, it’s crucial to get your return filed as soon as possible to avoid late filing penalties.

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Importance of Filing on Time
[00:05:16] Even if you don’t have the money to pay right now, filing late and paying late is worse than just paying late. You should aim to file your S-Corp or partnership return by the September 16th deadline (or October 15th for personal returns), even if you can’t pay what you owe at the moment. Filing late can lead to significant penalties, so it’s always better to file on time and pay later if necessary. However, I understand that sometimes these things are unavoidable—whether it's because you didn’t realize you had a partnership, forgot to file an extension, or your books aren’t ready.

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 Solutions for Late Filing: Rev Proc 84-35 (Partnerships Only)
[00:06:00] If you think you might miss the deadline for filing your entity return, there are a few potential solutions depending on your circumstances. One option, specifically for partnerships (this does not apply to S-Corporations), is the IRS Rev Proc 84-35. If your partnership qualifies under this procedure, you can request relief from late-filing penalties. The small partnership exception under Rev Proc 84-35 allows penalties to be waived if the partnership meets certain criteria and the late filing was due to reasonable cause.

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 Rev Proc 84-35: Criteria for Penalty Relief
[00:07:00] Let’s go over the criteria to see if you qualify for penalty relief under Rev Proc 84-35. First, your partnership must have no more than 10 partners. Second, all partners must either be individuals or estates of deceased partners—no trusts, LLCs, or corporations as partners. Third, the allocation of income, deductions, and c...

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Transcript 

[00:00:00] Welcome to Real Estate is Taxing, where we talk about all things real estate tax and break down complex concepts into understandable, entertaining tax topics. My name is Natalie Kolodij I'm your host, and I am so excited that you've decided to join me.

[00:00:23] Have you ever pulled into the McDonald's drive through at 10 40 in the morning on a Sunday to get McDonald's breakfast? Only to find out the location near your house stopped serving breakfast at 10 30, you just missed it. And you were so sure you had till 11 o'clock to get that. Amazing egg McMuffin. 

[00:00:45] You've been thinking about all week. Imagine that feeling times a thousand or more. That's what today's episode is about. And the best way I could think of. To describe the [00:01:00] impact of when someone thinks they are going to qualify. For the full 1 21 exclusion and have up to a half million dollars tax free. Only to find out that the timing or the way they executed it fell a little bit short. On today's episode. I'm going to walk you guys through several different scenarios of the potential application of the 1 21 exclusion. And really point out the way a few key, little bitty timing impacts. Can lead to either a partial exclusion or in some cases, no exclusion at all. When this comes up, it is obviously something that people are pretty upset to find out. So hopefully hearing this episode ahead of time will prevent a few people from living through that experience. [00:02:00] 

[00:02:00] And maybe this episode will also remind you to check the cutoff time for your egg McMuffin this weekend. 

[00:02:06] You are the guardian of your own destiny. So let's get into things, manifest it, and to make sure we are not missing these crucial timing cutoffs. 

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[00:02:16] If you knew me, you know, the 1 21 exclusion is a code section that I can talk about for hours and hours and hours, there is so much unique complexity to it. For today's episode, we are just going to break it down into a few simplistic parts. We're taking this at a thousand foot view. So that you can recognize the reason why these situations we're going to walk through will or will not work. 

[00:02:43] And you'll be able to see how these small timing differences can create a huge difference in the taxable outcome. The 1 21 exclusion. Allows a taxpayer to exclude up to [00:03:00] $250,000 of gain or 500,000 if married. On the sale of their primary home, as long as they have owned and occupied it for two out of the most recent five years. 

[00:03:13] The first nuance to break out. That will relate to today's episode. Is those two out of five years are actually a calculation to the literal day. So two years is actually 730 days. Five years is going to be 1,825 days. For simplicity, we're ignoring leap years. So it is a literal to the day calculation. That's why a slight misjudgment on when you should move or sell, et cetera. Can have a huge impact. The next piece to be aware of for today's episode is something called non-qualified use. In a nutshell, any time when [00:04:00] that primary home. Is used for something other than being a primary home. Those years are considered. 

[00:04:06] Non-qualified use. And the gain related proportionately to those years. Typically can't be excluded under the 1 21 exclusion. Now this code provision didn't come into play until 2009. So any time of non-qualified use before that. Doesn't count does not come into play here. And there are also three key exclusions. To what is considered non-qualified use. The first one would be any rental use. That occurs after. The taxpayer's most recent use of the home as a primary residence. The second exclusion. Is if someone is active duty military. They can have potentially up to a 10 year gap. Due to [00:05:00] being active duty. Where that time, where the home is rented or not being used as a primary home. That does not count as non-qualified use. And the final exclusion. Is that a taxpayer can have up to a two year temporary absence. That can be disqualified from being non-qualified use. 

[00:05:21] So if there's a temporary absence of. Two years or less. Due to a health circumstance or a job related change or some kind of major unforeseen circumstance. That two year or less window also does not count against the calculation for the gain as non-qualified use. 

[00:05:44] Now that you are all filled in on the key items we need for today's episode. Let's run through these examples. In all of the examples I am going to walk through. We are assuming that the taxpayer [00:06:00] originally buys this property to be a primary residence the day they buy it, it is for the purpose of moving in and living in this house. So example one. Taxpayer purchases, the primary home. They own and occupy it for 730 days. 

[00:06:21] And then. They decide to sell the residence. They have occupied it and owned it for two years or more. That's 730 day mark. So in this scenario, they would qualify for their full amount of the 1 21 exclusion. 

[00:06:37] Situation too. The taxpayer purchases, a primary home. They own and occupy it for 720 days. And then they go to sell the home. Because they were shy of that 730 day mark. The amount of exclusion they qualify for is [00:07:00] going to be $0. That two year minimum. Is required unless there's an unforeseen circumstance. We're not getting into that in today's episode. So if they just decided to sell because they wanted to, there was no other reason. If they have only lived in it for that 720 days. They don't get any part of an exclusion. 

[00:07:26] There's no rounding. If they have only met that 720 day mark. Their entire gain is going to be taxable. There will be no 1 21 exclusion. 

[00:07:39] So are you starting to see why these slight differences in a calculation can have a huge impact? Let's get into a few more tricky circumstances. In the next example. Let's say the taxpayer purchases, a primary home. They own and occupy it for [00:08:00] 750 days. They then move out and rent it for 1000 days. That's 750 days gets them that two year minimum of at least seven 30. And as long as they rent it for no more than three years. They don't have any non-qualified use and they still have their full 1 21 exclusion. Three years would be 1095 days. So in this example, because the taxpayer did occupy for the minimum of 730 days. And then they did not rent it for any more than three years or 1095 days. They can sell the home at the end of this and receive their full 1 21 exclusion. The only thing that will be taxable. Is, they will have, do have payback of the depreciation they took while it was a rental. 

[00:08:53] There's going to be unrecaptured 1250 depreciation or some depreciation recapture. But otherwise. [00:09:00] That circumstance allows for a full 1 21 exclusion. The fact that it was ...