Diabolical Lies
Diabolical Lies

Diabolical Lies

Katie Gatti Tassin & Caro Claire Burke

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The Katie Episode
NOV 16, 2025
The Katie Episode
<p>Earlier this month, Katie <a target="_blank" href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DQZY-AEifQL/?img_index=1">made a major announcement </a>about her brand Money with Katie: In 2026, she will buy back her intellectual property rights and equity from Morning Brew, shutter the podcast for the indefinite future, take full ownership of the weekly newsletter, and return to her roots as a writer. </p><p>This is a massive decision, to say the least, with major financial and spiritual implications — and if I, Caro, may be so bold, it feels very <em>Diabolical Lies</em>-coded. When Katie made the announcement public, it served as an excuse for me to corner Katie into a conversation I’ve been wanting to have with her for a very long time. </p><p>So today we’re doing it. We’re diving into the full story of Money with Katie, featuring but not limited to:</p><p>* how Katie became involved with personal finance</p><p>* what it was like to build MWK from a side hustle to a seven-figure brand</p><p>* where her political deconstruction from a capitalist to a radical commie fits into this equation</p><p>* what it was like to kickstart another podcast while working sixty hour weeks</p><p>* how much fun it was to meet me, Caro, hee hee ho ho</p><p>* why she’s deciding to pivot at the exact moment when most people would double down on what’s “already working”</p><p>Next spring, we will do a similar episode about me related to my novelist career. As a reminder, we’re doing an live AMA/bonus ep/gigglefest on Substack on <strong>Monday, November 24, at 6 PM EST</strong>. Email questions to [email protected].</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.diabolicalliespod.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.diabolicalliespod.com/subscribe</a>
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"Ethical Consumption" & the History of "Selling Out"
NOV 2, 2025
"Ethical Consumption" & the History of "Selling Out"
<p>A “point, counterpoint”-style deep dive into the double-sided coin of “ethical consumption” and “ethical salesmanship” (or its alternative, “selling out”) under that little thing we call “capitalism,” sponsored by our treasured economic partners in the Saudi Royal Family.</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/clotheshorse-with-amanda-lee-mccarty/id1523226942?i=1000652490823">Is There REALLY No Ethical Consumption Under Capitalism?</a>” from <em>Clotheshorse</em> with Amanda Lee McCarty (2024)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.dazeddigital.com/fashion/article/22434/1/this-feminist-t-shirt-isnt-made-in-a-sweatshop-apparently">This feminist t-shirt isn’t actually made in a sweatshop</a>” by Zing Tsjeng from <em>Dazed </em>(2014)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/karl-marx-in-america-andrew-hartman/5946098c037b40ca?ean=9780226537481&#38;next=t&#38;utm_source=google&#38;utm_medium=pmax&#38;utm_campaign=16243454879&#38;utm_content=&#38;utm_term=%7Bsearchterm%7D&#38;gad_source=1&#38;gad_campaignid=16235479093&#38;gbraid=0AAAAACfld43ciQuIm3B1oWJ-0Mtex5OVx&#38;gclid=Cj0KCQjwvJHIBhCgARIsAEQnWlAXyvVGswD6SA5Grr_IgfEjNf8t-5ek7W7kOssnKRP9ha3aVo4s1YEaAoWuEALw_wcB"><em>Karl Marx in America</em></a> by Andrew Hartman (2025)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://cdn.mises.org/marxism_unmasked.pdf">Marxism Unmasked: From Delusion to Destruction</a>,” a lecture series from 1952 by all-time neoliberal juggernaut Ludwig von Mises</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-litter-myth/id1451109634?i=1000448642244">The Litter Myth</a>” from “Throughline” by <em>NPR</em> (2019)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.plasticpollutioncoalition.org/blog/2017/10/26/a-beautiful-if-evil-strategy">A Beautiful If Evil Strategy</a>” by Chris Rose from Plastic Pollution Coalition (2017)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://archive.is/VRzUx">Leaked Audio Reveals How Coca-Cola Undermines Plastic Recycling Efforts</a>” by Sharon Lerner from <em>The Intercept </em>(2019)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://archive.is/uSSt8">What is Amazon Web Services?</a>” by Melissa Eddy from <em>The New York Times </em>(2025)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.fool.com/investing/2024/01/10/amazon-e-commerce-company-74-profit-this-instead/">People Think Amazon Is an E-Commerce Company, but 74% of Its Profit Comes from This Instead</a>” by Anthony Di Pizio for <em>The Motley Fool </em>(2024)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.tiktok.com/@graceblakeley0/video/7483166085412359446">This video</a> from Grace Blakeley, author of <em>Vulture Capitalism</em>, about whether one’s identity as a consumer can ever be weaponized as an anti-capitalist tool</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://hbr.org/2015/01/ethical-consumerism-isnt-dead-it-just-needs-better-marketing">Ethical Consumerism Isn’t Dead, It Just Needs Better Marketing</a>” by Julie Irwin for <em>Harvard Business Review </em>(2015)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748703338004575230112664504890">The Case Against Corporate Social Responsibility</a>” by Aneel Karmani for <em>Wall Street Journal </em>(2010)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/nirvana-inside-the-heart-and-mind-of-kurt-cobain-103770/">Nirvana: Inside the Heart and Mind of Kurt Cobain</a>” by Michael Azerrad for <em>Rolling Stone</em> (1992)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://archive.is/vY2vB">Lived Through This</a>,” an interview with Chuck Klosterman, by David Wallace-Wells for <em>Vulture</em></p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://slate.com/culture/2017/07/the-history-of-calling-artists-sellouts.html">The Rise and Decline of the ‘Sellout’</a>” by Franz Nicolay for <em>Slate</em> (2017)</p><p>Shakespeare’s <a target="_blank" href="http://www.shakespeares-sonnets.com/sonnet/110">Sonnet 110</a>, in which he bemoans the need to do spon con so he can make a living as a writer</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/18/nirvana-sell-out-data-music-industry">In the 90s, We Worried About Nirvana ‘Selling Out.’ I Wish That Concept Still Made Sense</a>,” by Dan Brooks for <em>The Guardian</em> (2023)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/how-we-stopped-caring-about-selling-out">How We Stopped Caring About Selling Out</a>” and “<a target="_blank" href="https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/comedys-favorite-truth-tellers-are-playing-jester-for-the-saudi-prince">Comedy’s Favorite Truth-Tellers are Playing Jester for the Saudi Prince</a>” by Emily Topping for <em>Current Affairs</em> (2025)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://culture.ghost.io/the-age-of-the-double-sell-out/">The Age of the Double Sell-Out</a>” by W. David Marx (2025)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://archive.is/FWrY5">I didn’t listen to a single Taylor Swift song on Spotify last year. She still made money off me.</a>” by Chris A. Williams for <em>The Philadelphia Inquirer </em>(2024)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/its-not-the-crime-its-the-coverup">It’s Not the Crime, It’s the Coverup</a>” by Freddie deBoer (2025)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n02/lauren-oyler/ha-ha!-ha-ha">Ha ha! Ha ha!</a>” an infamous review of <em>Trick Mirror</em> by Lauren Oyler for <em>London Review of Books</em> (2020)</p><p>“<a target="_blank" href="https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/oct/20/caroline-calloway-writers-journalists-social-media-influencers">The Journalist as Influencer: How We Sell Ourselves on Social Media</a>” by Allegra Hobbs for <em>The Guardian</em> (2019)</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. 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125 MIN