Diabolical Lies
Diabolical Lies

Diabolical Lies

Katie Gatti Tassin & Caro Claire Burke

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Gen Z Women's New "Anti-Woke Voice"
MAY 3, 2026
Gen Z Women's New "Anti-Woke Voice"
<p><strong>NEW SWAG ALERT 🚨 </strong>The Small Government line is back & better than ever. <a target="_blank" href="https://diabolical-lies.myshopify.com/"><strong>Get yours here</strong></a>.</p><p>Katie’s back on her metaphoric “What’s Charlie Kirk up to these days?” editorial grind—checking in with one of the hottest new Gen Z Lady Voices taking the middle-aged men of the center-right by storm.</p><p>In this episode, we check in with a writer we haven’t discussed since one of our very first episodes:</p><p>Freya India, also known as three Jonathan Haidts in a very hot 26-year-old trenchcoat, just published her first book, Girls®—an excoriation of the modern world and its effects on The Youth (or, more specifically, the pathologies of <em>liberal teen girls</em>, as she often puts it).</p><p>To hear India tell it, young girls have been Filtered, Diagnosed, Documented, Disconnected, Detached, and ‘Empowered,’ all thanks to the increasingly rapacious incentive structure of a pyramid-shaped economic system that necessitates a constantly growing consumer base wait, sorry, no. That’s not it. Actually, we’re not really sure why. You know what? It’s not important. Let’s move on.</p><p>What <em>Girls® </em>lacks in explanatory mechanisms, it makes up for in solutions: Logging off, finding God, and starting a family.</p><p>The ideological project underway here should be obvious to anyone whose brain hasn’t been marinated in a dutch oven full of expired bath salts, so why has this book been endorsed by a gaggle of high-profile, putatively left-wing men?</p><p><em>Diabolical Lies</em> investigates.</p><p>All citations and references can be found at www.diabolicalliespod.com.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.diabolicalliespod.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.diabolicalliespod.com/subscribe</a>
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The Caro Episode
APR 5, 2026
The Caro Episode
<p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/780686/yesteryear-by-caro-claire-burke/"><strong>Order </strong></a><a target="_blank" href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/780686/yesteryear-by-caro-claire-burke/"><strong><em>Yesteryear</em></strong></a> if you like nice things, have good taste, or don’t want Katie to show up in the middle of the night at your house with a strongly worded remonstration.</p><p>What does it feel like to spend 10 years of your life pursuing an uncertain dream when the chances of breakthrough success are one in a million?</p><p>What does it feel like to—finally, at long last—be “the one”?</p><p>Caro Claire Burke, one-half of your favorite podcast, is publishing her debut novel this Tuesday, April 7. <em>Yesteryear</em> is mouthy, thrilling, important, ambitious, and, as one of my favorite reviews said, “moves like a freight train.”</p><p>Sound like anyone else you know?</p><p>Today, I finally get the opportunity to talk to <a target="_blank" href="https://substack.com/profile/2307185-caro-claire-burke">caro claire burke</a> about:</p><p>* whether publishing your debut novel is <a target="_blank" href="https://garthgreenwell.substack.com/p/some-thoughts-on-hype">a dream come true or a nightmare</a></p><p>* who she was before she wrote <em>Yesteryear</em></p><p>* her seemingly endless years writing clickbait for a paycheck in the content coal mines of various aggregators</p><p>* how she felt when we met 🥰</p><p>* how I felt when we met 👹</p><p>* the psychological experience of feeling like everyone’s looking at you (Professionally™️) and knowing the precise dates and times when your life’s work will be dissected for sport in public lol</p><p>* to what extent it’s fair to infer someone’s politics from their fiction (a la <a target="_blank" href="https://www.vulture.com/article/madeline-cash-lost-lambs-honor-levy-close-reads.html">this piece</a>)</p><p>* her Official Stance on separating the art from the artist (compelling tbh)</p><p>* a spoiler-frenzied discussion of the Next Great American Novel</p><p>* and a very personal, very special update for Caro</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.diabolicalliespod.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.diabolicalliespod.com/subscribe</a>
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102 MIN