NGI0: Next Generation Internet
NGI0: Next Generation Internet

NGI0: Next Generation Internet

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Conversations with the people building the Next Generation Internet (NGI). They’re working on free and open source technologies to make the internet more resilient, secure, trustworthy, accessible and human-centered.

NGI Zero is a coalition of non-profit organizations led by NLnet foundation providing financial and practical support to people working on the free and open internet. NGI Zero is made possible with financial support from the European Commission’s Next Generation Internet initiative.

The podcast is hosted by Ronny Lam and Tessel Renzenbrink, the jingle created by Yarmo Mackenbach, all from NLnet.

Recent Episodes

Equitable Internet Access for the Under-served - LibreQoS
APR 18, 2025
Equitable Internet Access for the Under-served - LibreQoS
<p>LibreQoS greatly improves the quality of experience of internet connections. It was born out of necessity during the COVID pandemic when massively increased internet usage resulted in intermittent package loss. Robert Chacón, CEO of LibreQoS and operator of a small ISP that provides internet to under-served communities, noticed how it affected his customers’ ability to work from home and do online learning. In response, LibreQoS was created to fight bufferbloat and latency issues by prioritizing interactive sessions like video calls over, say, downloading large files.</p> <p>In this episode we speak to Robert, Herbert Wolverson (Chief Product Officer), and Frantisek Borsik (Chief Operating Officer). They talk about how they open sourced LibreQoS in the hopes of helping other small ISPs who bring internet to the under-served, and their surprise at the rapid rise in popularity with deployments in 58 countries. They provide insight in the world of ISPs, and how stable internet connections aren’t just about good gaming experiences but can actually save lives.</p> <p><a href="https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/">In loving memory of Dave Täht</a><br /> Sadly, Dave Täht passed away days after the recording of this episode. Dave was Chief Science Officer at LibreQoS and made fundamental contributions to FQ-CoDel, CAKE, and LibreQoS to improve the internet for everyone. He worked to make real-time communication available everywhere and insisted his code be free and open source so it would truly benefit everyone. He is remembered by many for who he was and the lives he touched with his work on his <a href="https://libreqos.io/2025/04/01/in-loving-memory-of-dave/">memorial page</a>.</p> <p>Links<br /> LibreQoS<br /> <a href="https://libreqos.io/">LibreQoS website</a><br /> <a href="https://github.com/LibreQoE/LibreQoS">LibreQoS source code</a><br /> <a href="https://libreqos.readthedocs.io/en/latest/">LibreQoS documentation</a></p> <p>NGI Zero projects<br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/project/LibreQoS/">LibreQoS</a><br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/project/LibreQoS-2.1/">LibreQoS 2.1</a></p> <p>Learn more about LibreQoS:<br /> Great explanation of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql2_AYGdpms">how LibreQoS works</a> by Herbert Wolverson at an APNIC webinar.<br /> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxMT1c0CgSo">Interview with Robert Chacón</a> including a demo of LibreQoS’s dashboard by The BrothersWISP at WISPAPALOOZA 2024.</p> <p>Other projects and topics mentioned<br /> <a href="https://www.ctn.mw/">CTN</a> an ISP in Malawi<br /> <a href="https://openwrt.org">OpenWRT</a> a Linux distribution for routers and embedded devices.<br /> <a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8290">FQ-CoDel</a>: a hybrid packet scheduler and Active Queue Management algorithm.<br /> <a href="https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/codel/wiki/Cake/">Cake</a> a comprehensive queue management system the bufferbloat project has been working on since 2013.<br /> <a href="https://mikrotik.com/">MikroTik</a><br /> <a href="https://www.alta.inc/">Alta Labs</a><br /> <a href="https://blog.tohojo.dk/">Toke Høiland-Jørgensen</a><br /> <a href="https://www.kau.se/en/cs/news/new-project-will-build-next-generation-programmable-networks">Karlstad University</a></p> <footer><p><a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/">NGI Zero</a> is a coalition of non-profit organizations lead by <a href="https://nlnet.nl/">NLnet</a>. It provides <a href="https://nlnet.nl/funding.html">financial</a> and <a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/services/">practical support</a> to people working on the free and open internet. You can find us on <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@NGIZero">@NGIZero@mastodon.xyz</a> &amp; <a href="https://social.nlnet.nl/@nlnet">@nlnet@nlnet.nl</a>. NGI Zero is made possible with financial support from the <a href="https://ec.europa.eu/">European Commission</a>’s <a href="https://ngi.eu/">Next Generation Internet</a> initiative.</p> <p>The podcast is hosted by Ronny Lam and Tessel Renzenbrink, the jingle created by Yarmo Mackenbach, all from NLnet.</p> <p>The NGI Zero podcast is shared under the <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/">CC BY-NC-ND 4.0</a> license.</p> </footer>
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46 MIN
Uncovering the hidden patterns of the consumer electronics industry - DeviceCode
APR 3, 2025
Uncovering the hidden patterns of the consumer electronics industry - DeviceCode
<p>“The consumer electronics industry works differently than people actually think”, says Armijn Hemel creator of DeviceCode. Behind the different brands and casings is often the same hardware, created by a single Original Design Manufacturer. But the disclosure of security vulnerabilities is mostly focused on single devices. So when a CVE is published for device A from vendor X it conceals that the security flaw may also exist in a similar device of a different vendor. DeviceCode collects structured technical information about consumer devices to reveal these hidden patterns of the industry in order to improve security.</p> <p>Demystifying the electronics industry can also be a step toward increasing the local production of electronics. Reasons to opt for local manufacturing are the vulnerability of global supply chains, environmental impact, worker rights, software security and preventing backdoors. A better understanding of the industry could inspire a bottom up approach to a more diversified electronics industry.</p> <p>Links<br /> DeviceCode repositories:<br /> <a href="https://github.com/armijnhemel/devicecode">Code</a><br /> <a href="https://github.com/armijnhemel/devicecode-data">Data</a></p> <p>NGI Zero projects<br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/project/DeviceCode/">DeviceCode</a><br /> And also mentioned: <a href="https://nlnet.nl/project/VulnerableCode/">VulnerableCode</a></p> <p>If you are interested in Armijn’s knowledge about Open Source Software supply chain management (briefly mentioned at the end of the podcast) watch the NGI Zero webinar with Armijn: <a href="https://nlnet.nl/events/20230406/WebinarSoftwareSupplyChain/">Open Source in (Consumer) Electronics Supply Chains</a> (Episode 1 of a 4-part series The Ins and Outs of Open Software Supply Chain)</p> <p>Other projects and talks mentioned<br /> <a href="https://openwrt.org/toh/openwrt/one">The Open Wrt hardware device: OpenWrt One</a></p> <p>Talks on the hardware supply chain by Andrew “bunnie” Huang<br /> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqQhWitJ1As">Supply Chain Security: “If I were a Nation State…”</a> at BlueHat IL, 2019.<br /> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S39fhrGjr4U">An Alternative to the American way of Innovation</a> at TEDxPickeringStreet.<br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/events/20240502/index.html">NGI Zero webinar about IRIS: (Infra-Red, In-Situ) inspection of silicon</a>.</p> <footer><p><a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/">NGI Zero</a> is a coalition of non-profit organizations lead by <a href="https://nlnet.nl/">NLnet</a>. It provides <a href="https://nlnet.nl/funding.html">financial</a> and <a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/services/">practical support</a> to people working on the free and open internet. You can find us on <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@NGIZero">@NGIZero@mastodon.xyz</a> &amp; <a href="https://social.nlnet.nl/@nlnet">@nlnet@nlnet.nl</a>. NGI Zero is made possible with financial support from the <a href="https://ec.europa.eu/">European Commission</a>’s <a href="https://ngi.eu/">Next Generation Internet</a> initiative.</p> <p>The podcast is hosted by Ronny Lam and Tessel Renzenbrink, the jingle created by Yarmo Mackenbach, all from NLnet.</p> <p>The NGI Zero podcast is shared under the <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/">CC BY-NC-ND 4.0</a> license.</p> </footer>
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47 MIN
The internet should be a public good - NixOS/Clevis
FEB 26, 2025
The internet should be a public good - NixOS/Clevis
<p>“This project was fueled by the idea that we should be less dependent on proprietary software. We don’t have control over software managed by companies that can access, analyze and sell our private data. It was a journey to own our software again”, says Julien Malka. He and Camille Mondon have implemented Clevis in NixOS to make it possible to remotely reboot servers with full disk encryption. The project was extended to port the Proxmox Hypervisor on NixOS. In this podcast episode they explain their project and talk about self-hosting as an antidote to the centralization of the internet.</p> <p>Links:<br /> <a href="https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/257525">NixOS/Clevis repo</a><br /> <a href="https://nixos.org/">NixOS</a><br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/project/NixOS-Clevis/">NixOS/Clevis NGI Zero project page</a></p> <footer><p><a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/">NGI Zero</a> is a coalition of non-profit organizations lead by <a href="https://nlnet.nl/">NLnet</a>. It provides <a href="https://nlnet.nl/funding.html">financial</a> and <a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/services/">practical support</a> to people working on the free and open internet. You can find us on <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@NGIZero">@NGIZero@mastodon.xyz</a> &amp; <a href="https://social.nlnet.nl/@nlnet">@nlnet@nlnet.nl</a>. NGI Zero is made possible with financial support from the <a href="https://ec.europa.eu/">European Commission</a>’s <a href="https://ngi.eu/">Next Generation Internet</a> initiative.</p> <p>The podcast is hosted by Ronny Lam and Tessel Renzenbrink, the jingle created by Yarmo Mackenbach, all from NLnet.</p> <p>The NGI Zero podcast is shared under the <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/">CC BY-NC-ND 4.0</a> license.</p> </footer>
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51 MIN
Self-hosting for everyone - SelfPrivacy
FEB 12, 2025
Self-hosting for everyone - SelfPrivacy
<p>“There would be no room for conflict if everyone in the world could exchange ideas without being watched”, says Kirill Zholnay founder of SelfPrivacy. SelfPrivacy aims to make self-hosting accessible to non-technical users. Born out of a dream to enable every person on the internet to live free of Big Tech surveillance, it provides a simple solution to set up and manage your own server. We spoke to Kirill Zholnay and lead full-stack engineer Inex Code about the need for user autonomy, their crush on Deltachat, NixOS, the joy of receiving positive feedback and how SelfPrivacy is financed.</p> <p>Links:<br /> <a href="https://selfprivacy.org/">SelfPrivacy</a><br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/project/SelfPrivacy/">SelfPrivacy NGI0 project page</a><br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/services/">NGI Zero support services</a></p> <footer><p><a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/">NGI Zero</a> is a coalition of non-profit organizations lead by <a href="https://nlnet.nl/">NLnet</a>. It provides <a href="https://nlnet.nl/funding.html">financial</a> and <a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/services/">practical support</a> to people working on the free and open internet. You can find us on <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@NGIZero">@NGIZero@mastodon.xyz</a> &amp; <a href="https://social.nlnet.nl/@nlnet">@nlnet@nlnet.nl</a>. NGI Zero is made possible with financial support from the <a href="https://ec.europa.eu/">European Commission</a>’s <a href="https://ngi.eu/">Next Generation Internet</a> initiative.</p> <p>The podcast is hosted by Ronny Lam and Tessel Renzenbrink, the jingle created by Yarmo Mackenbach, all from NLnet.</p> <p>The NGI Zero podcast is shared under the <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/">CC BY-NC-ND 4.0</a> license.</p> </footer>
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37 MIN
S01E05 Tauri - Daniel Thompson-Yvetot
JAN 31, 2025
S01E05 Tauri - Daniel Thompson-Yvetot
<p>“The only thing that’s going to solve the mental health crisis in software engineering is more compassion, more collaboration, more attention to the people that you spend time with”, says Daniel Thompson-Yvetot, co-founder of Tauri Apps and CEO of CrabNebula. He also speaks about how the Cyber Resilience Act can be a watershed moment for open source. And how today’s internet is designed for autocrats and corporations and that the projects he works on like Tauri, Verso and Servo, all aim to help us regain our digital autonomy.</p> <p>Links:<br /> <a href="https://tauri.app/">Tauri Apps</a><br /> <a href="https://crabnebula.dev/">CrabNebula</a><br /> <a href="https://servo.org/">Servo</a><br /> <a href="https://versotile.org/verso/">Verso</a><br /> Projects funded by NGI Zero:<br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/project/Tauri/">Tauri Apps</a><br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/project/Verso-WebView/">Servo improvements for Tauri</a><br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/project/Verso/">Webview library with Verso for Tauri</a><br /> <a href="https://nlnet.nl/project/Tauri-Servo/">Servo Webview for Tauri</a><br /> Other organizations mentioned: <a href="https://commonsconservancy.org/">Commons Conservancy</a></p> <footer><p><a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/">NGI Zero</a> is a coalition of non-profit organizations lead by <a href="https://nlnet.nl/">NLnet</a>. It provides <a href="https://nlnet.nl/funding.html">financial</a> and <a href="https://nlnet.nl/NGI0/services/">practical support</a> to people working on the free and open internet. You can find us on <a href="https://mastodon.xyz/@NGIZero">@NGIZero@mastodon.xyz</a> &amp; <a href="https://social.nlnet.nl/@nlnet">@nlnet@nlnet.nl</a>. NGI Zero is made possible with financial support from the <a href="https://ec.europa.eu/">European Commission</a>’s <a href="https://ngi.eu/">Next Generation Internet</a> initiative.</p> <p>The podcast is hosted by Ronny Lam and Tessel Renzenbrink, the jingle created by Yarmo Mackenbach, all from NLnet.</p> <p>The NGI Zero podcast is shared under the <a href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/">CC BY-NC-ND 4.0</a> license.</p> </footer>
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58 MIN