Iboga has a reputation.It’s intense. It’s long. It carries real risk. And for some people, it’s life-changing.But what actually happens inside a retreat container? And what does this work look like behind the scenes?In this episode of Divergent States, 3L1T3 and Bryan sit down with Paije West and Fletcher Burdick, founders of ETEREO, an iboga retreat center in Baja, Mexico. Their approach sits somewhere between medical oversight and traditional ceremony, which opens up some thoughtful questions about safety, responsibility, integration, and how we talk about powerful medicines without turning them into mythology.This isn’t a hype piece.It’s a grounded conversation about:• The difference between iboga and ibogaine • Cardiac risk and how they screen for it • Why they sometimes say “no” • What ceremony actually does (beyond aesthetics) • Whether luxury retreat settings help or distract • Why integration matters more than most people think • And whether the field might be moving a little too fastWe talk about neuroplasticity, structure vs freedom, tradition vs extraction, and what’s still unknown about iboga.If you’re curious about the medicine — or about how people try to hold it responsibly — this one’s worth your time.The extended, more personal segment continues on Patreon.Chapter Markers00:00 – Introducing Bryan & Why This Conversation Matters 02:00 – Framing the Episode: No Miracle Claims 03:15 – What ETEREO Is (In Plain Language) 07:00 – What an Iboga Retreat Looks Like 11:20 – Iboga vs Ibogaine 14:30 – Ceremony: Structure, Not Symbolism 16:30 – Neuroplasticity & Set and Setting 17:40 – Who Iboga Is Not For 21:30 – Safety & Medical Screening 24:30 – Small Groups vs High-Volume Clinics 25:30 – “Conscious Luxury” — Does It Help? 29:00 – Stepping Away from the Real World 30:00 – Why Integration Is Everything 32:00 – Relational Healing 35:00 – Why They Don’t Track Outcomes Like Clinics 36:10 – Incentives & Avoiding Extraction 39:10 – Is the Field Moving Too Fast? 40:00 – What We Still Don’t Know About Iboga 41:30 – Final Reflections 42:00 – Patreon Segment Tease 44:50 – Closing Thoughts 🎧 Extended version available on Patreon🎓 Zendo Project peer-support training: use code DIVERGENTS10Send a text FiresideProject.orgDownload the app or text/call 62-FIRESIDEZendo ProjectOur listeners get 10% off the Zendo Project SIT Program with the code DIVERGENTS10Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.Support the showSpecial Thanks to our Macrodosers, Super D and Mike on Patreon! https://linktr.ee/3L1T3Mod