Underneath the safety pins, television expletives and bondage trousers that came with Punk in 1977, there was a coded message for those ready to hear it. Resolutely independent, the Instant Automatons and their label Deleted Records tuned in from the North of England and got that message of DIY independence, creativity and confidence that followed "Here's Three Chords, Now Form A Band".
We trace the birth of the UK cassette underground - from isolated bedrooms to West London squats, from hand-dubbed tapes to Rough Trade shelves. It’s the story of how a handful of young people, with almost no resources, built a national community through shared idealism, cheap technology, and an unstoppable desire to create.
Finding their tribe with the Labroke Grove hippie-punks circulating around the Here & Now/Frestonia/free festival scene and building their community under the Westway.
Here & Now drummer, Kif Kif Le Batteur made his sentiment about the established record industry clear when he named his cassette label F.O. Records. Recognising that the Instant Automatons and their label Deleted Records got it too, they connected to collaborate on cassette and vinyl releases, gigs and tours. And in doing, forged a template that was adopted and amplified from there on.
Hosted by Martin Franklin.
Theme music “This Is Concrete” by The Happy Citizen/"Hesatative" Jack Hertz
VIDEO
You can find videos of some of the amazing fanzines and cassette releases that drop through our letterbox on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/@CassetteCulturePodcast
IN THIS EPISODE
VOICES
Martin Franklin
Jerry Kranitz
Mark Lancaster
Colin Potter
Jonathan Barnett
…and John Peel
MUSIC
Duo Electronica (except), Deleted Funtime (Deleted 009)
The Instant Automatons “ Routine Habit” We Couldn’t Agree On A Title (Integrated Circuit Records ICR 001)
Colin Potter “The Last Train” The Scythe (ICR)
The Instant Automatons “Scared To Be Alone” Peter Paints His Fence EP (Deleted)
Instant Automatons “Too Big” Not So Deep As A Well (Waterden WDCD002)
Danny & The Dressmakers “God Puts A Stop To The Silver Paper Monster” 39 Golden Grates (Fuck Off Records)
Archive audio: “Johns Vacuum Cleaner” John Peel Show 17 June 1980, BBC Radio 1
“Pre Natal Counselling” The Midnight Circus
“Chemical Solutions” Missing Persons,
“Disillusion” The Instant Automatons
“Journey To The West” The Mystic Umbrellas
All from the Deleted Funtime compilation (Deleted 009)
Many thanks to Jonny Zhivago and the invaluable resource for underground music that is Die Or DIY (https://dieordiy2.blogspot.com/)
PROTAG
We would like to dedicate this episode to the memory of Martin "Protag" Neish, who passed away in February 2014. We were too late to meet him, but found his footprints through some of the episodes in this season of Cassette Culture. We are proud to be able to tell at least a small part of his story.
(https://louderthanwar.com/northern-punk-scene-mourns-martin-protag-neish/ )
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The artists who made the template - In Season 2 we’re delving into the very origins of the underground cassette music scene from the late 70s and early 80s, featuring insights from key musicians who revolutionised independent music production.
"We didn't think much of the establishment and capitalism, instead of demonstrating against it, we thought we'd create another world which existed outside of it." Jonathan Barnett of Fuck Off Records encapsulates the revolutionary mindset of the post-Punk movement.
Mark Lancaster, Phillip Sanderson, Jonathan Barnett, Colin Potter and others share their experiences of challenging the mainstream music industry through a low key yet radical DIY approach. Snatch Tapes, Fuck Off Records, Deleted Records, Integrated Circuit Records were all part of the wave that shaped a template for what was to come.
The narrative explores how musicians rejected traditional music production methods, creating an alternative world of sound and creativity. Cassettes emerged as a powerful medium of expression, offering an affordable and accessible way for artists to record and distribute their music. The episode highlights the punk-inspired ethos of independent music creation, emphasising a spirit of rebellion against established structures and the building of a community.
Listeners will discover a fascinating network of musicians who connected through fanzines, music papers, and tape exchanges. The collaborative culture transcended traditional genre boundaries, with artists supporting each other's experimental sounds and independent productions. Phillip Sanderson's innovative approach of dismantling radios to create electronic noises exemplifies the creative spirit of the cassette culture.
The documentary provides a deep dive into a pivotal moment in music history, showcasing how independent artists used technology and collaboration to challenge the traditional music industry. It's a testament to creativity, DIY spirit, and the power of grassroots music production.
Technical Details:
Format: Audio documentary
Focus: Independent music scene, DIY music production
Era: Late 1970s to early 1980s
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From vinyl to cassettes and the occasional... flexi-postcard! Geert-Jan Hobijn reflects on Staalplaat’s origins as a cassette label, and some current releases.
In this special interim episode of Cassette Culture, Martin Franklin and Jerry Kranitz speak with Geert-Jan Hobijn, the legendary founder of Staalplaat - the experimental music label that began in an Amsterdam squat in 1982 and went on to define an era of radical sound and design.
We focus on some current activities publishing unreleased Muslimgauze recordings, reissuing classics from the Korm Plastics label - and dreaming up outlandish packaging ideas (including a cassette release that came with a pair of custom-designed socks).
The conversation also touches on the challenges and joys of running a label across decades, the crossover between Staalplaat’s releases and Geert-Jan’s own Staalplaat Sound System installation work, and the philosophy of making music and art available in ways that resist the digital mainstream.
Hosted by Martin Franklin & Jerry Kranitz.
Theme music “This Is Concrete” by The Happy Citizen/"Hesatative" Jack Hertz
VIDEO
You can find video of some of the fanzines and cassette releases we discuss in this episode on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/@CassetteCulturePodcast
MUSIC
"Headphonics (VPRO Version)" Ryoji Ikeda, Mort Aux Vaches (Staalplaat, 2020)
"Zealot" Muslimgauze (flexi-postcard 2025)
"A1" Muslimgauze, Tape 13 (cassette 2025)
"Live At The Clocktower, New York City (27 April 89)" Arcane Device, SIX (Korm Plastics D, cassette 2025)
LINKS
Staalplaat Label
https://staalplaatlabel.bandcamp.com/
Muslimgauze
https://muslimgauze.bandcamp.com/
Korm Plastics D
https://kormplasticsd.bandcamp.com/
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Music mix by Joshua James Amberson drawing on cassette releases reviewed in issue #3 of the Copy This Cassette zine.
Joshua is publisher of the Basic Paper Airplane zine, and curator of the Antiquated Future store/distro and label. He is based in Portland, Oregon, USA.
Theme music "Hesatative" Jack Hertz
VIDEO
You can find video of some of the fanzines and cassette releases in this episode on our YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@CassetteCulturePodcast
LINKS
Joshua James Amberson/Antiquated Future (https://www.antiquatedfuture.com/)
Copy This Cassette (https://copythis.bandcamp.com/)
MUSIC
Other Worlders "Hidden Energy Positive Light" Aural Canyon
https://auralcanyonmusic.bandcamp.com/album/hidden-energy-positive-light
Machine Go Boom "When We're Ghosts" Just Because Records
https://justbecauserecords.bandcamp.com/album/when-were-ghosts
Zeiss Ikon "Cybernetic Anarchy" 2025 Reissue, Magrit Records
https://zeissikon.bandcamp.com/album/cybernetic-anarchy
Big Fat Head "BoBo Rising" Clean Demon Records
https://cleandemonrecords.bandcamp.com/album/bobo-rising
Charles Rice Goff III "Language For Unstated Thoughts" Taped Rugs
https://archive.org/details/LanguageForUnstatedThoughts/
Cody Brant - Carl Kruger "Smoke Detail" Copy This 2025
https://codybrantcarlkruger.bandcamp.com/album/smoke-detail
Yaara Valey "our liberation is" Antiquated Futures
https://antiquatedfuture.bandcamp.com/album/our-liberation-is
Guidon Bear "Internal Systems" Antiquated Future
https://antiquatedfuture.bandcamp.com/album/internal-systems
THANKS
Immense thanks to Joshua James Amberson for curating this mix,
(https://www.antiquatedfuture.com/) and to the artists for use of their tracks.
Produced by Martin Franklin for East Coast Studio (https://eastcoaststudio.com.au)
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From the worlds of mini-comix to independent music, D. Blake Werts is the creative force behind the fanzine, Copy This Cassette.
Martin Franklin and co-host Jerry Kranitz sit down with Blake to share the surprising story of how he discovered cassette culture only a few years ago, and how that discovery inspired him to launch a new publication devoted entirely to underground cassette releases.
He explains the philosophy behind Copy This Cassette, including its tactile, analogue-first ethos and the importance of short, descriptive "snapshot reviews."
We also learn about Blake's deep roots in the world of mini comics, how he taps into regional cassette scenes from the Pacific Northwest to Europe, and the editorial decisions that keep the zine focused and accessible.
You can find Copy This on Bandcamp at copythis.bandcamp.com and catch our unboxing video of issue 3 on the Cassette Culture Podcast YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/@CassetteCulturePodcast
Keep updated on the Second Edition of "Cassette Culture: Homemade Music and the Creative Spirit in the Pre-Internet Age" by contacting Jerry. jerrykranitzwriter.com/
Hosted by Martin Franklin & Jerry Kranitz.
Theme music “This Is Concrete” by The Happy Citizen/"Hesatative" Jack Hertz
VIDEO
You can find video of some of the fanzines and cassette releases we discuss in this episode on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/@CassetteCulturePodcast
MUSIC
”Step On Me” Hydrone - Live at Nelsonville 2022 (Clean Demon Records)
“n-0”, Kozo Inada, Kozo Inada & Frans de Waard (temporary mountain)
“Post Surgical Blues” Versioning, Cloud Plateau (Ingrown Records)
“Alamogordo” FUZZ UNLIMITED, Journey To The Seventh Planet (Illuminated Paths)
“Hippie” Versioning, Cloud Plateau (Ingrown Records)
“Under Garbage” Cody Brant - Carl Kruger, Smoke Detail (Copy This)
LINKS
Copy This
https://copythis.bandcamp.com/
Clean Demon Records
https://cleandemonrecords.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-nelsonville-2022
temporary mountain
temporarymountain.bandcamp.com/
Ingrown Records
ingrown.bandcamp.com/
Illuminated Paths
illuminatedpaths.bandcamp.com/
Basic Paper Airplane
www.antiquatedfuture.com/zines/basic-paper-airplane-13-the-cassette-tape-issue/
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