When It Clicked

The American justice system punishes millions of people every year. That’s what we expect it to do – punish wrongdoing. That’s what we call justice. But what if it could do something more, something that would make this country better, stronger, and safer? In Season 2 of When It Clicked, host Ana Zamora sits down with a surprising mix of leaders and experts who are showing what a better, more productive justice system actually looks and feels like – from how to handle kids who commit crimes, to how new technology can change outcomes in prison. This season, you’ll see how making key changes to how we do justice in America actually benefits all of us.

What happens when an award-winning actress, producer, director, author, and activist uses her platform to shine a light on the criminal justice system? Kerry Washington's recent projects, UnPrisoned and Daughters, tell stories of incarceration, family separation, unification, and love that we rarely get to see. In our conversation, she explains how portraying a daughter navigating her father's return from prison transformed her understanding of reentry and gets personal about how the system has impacted her own family.

You can check out Unprisoned on Hulu and stream Daughters on Netflix.

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What does it mean to be smart on crime? Jeanne Woodford, former warden at San Quentin State prison, has been a longtime advocate for rehabilitation. In our conversation, she offers a new vision of what prisons could look like, from removing prison cells to providing opportunities for incarcerated people to garden, take college courses, and even play chess with correctional officers. 

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What happens when we give someone a second chance? For Glenn Dahl, it led to Dave's Killer Bread, a family business success story that not only revolutionized bread, but also changed how companies think about second chance hiring. Glenn, the former CEO, opens up about taking a chance on his brother Dave after his release from prison, and continuing to take a groundbreaking approach to hiring people with criminal records.

What happens when the criminal justice system invests in education instead of punishment? Larry Miller is the Chairman of the Jordan Brand Advisory Board and played a pivotal role in the brand’s growth. Yet behind his success was a secret – at age 16, he was convicted of second degree murder, which he shares in his book, “Jump: My Secret Journey from the Streets to the Boardroom.” For Larry, it was education in prison that changed his life's trajectory, giving him the chance to earn a college degree, build a successful career, and challenge assumptions about what formerly incarcerated people can achieve.