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Live from Bridging the Gap, Nancy is joined by Al-Nesha Jones, Jennifer Dymond, and Dena Martin to explore what it takes to build a sustainable career, a firm that works for you, and a community that helps you get there. Al-Nesha shares how she's mastered the four-day workweek and uses AI to become a better delegator; Dena opens up about ADHD, accountability, and finding the confidence to put herself out there; and Dymond explains how improv, communication, and meaningful relationships have transformed her career. Along the way, the women tackle burnout, the importance of asking for help, and the challenge of turning conference inspiration into action. With plenty of laughter and questions from the live audience, it's a conversation about intentionally designing what's next—and finding the people who will help you make it happen. Sponsors Bill - http://bill.com/shecounts Relay - https://relayfi.com/shecounts Karbon - https://karbonhq.com/ (00:00) - Welcome and Sponsors (00:53) - Live at Bridging the Gap (01:50) - Erin’s BTG Story (03:33) - Meet the Panelists (05:27) - Biggest Takeaways to Implement (12:27) - What to Add Next Year (15:14) - Accountability After the Conference (22:19) - Five Years From Now (25:28) - AI for Better Leadership (29:04) - Claude For ADHD Blocks (30:16) - Hyperfocus Pros And Cons (31:41) - Career Relationships That Matter (33:50) - Bridging The Gap Friendships (38:18) - Theater Sisters And Sponsors (43:08) - Favorite Sessions Takeaways (45:47) - What Needs A Stage (49:40) - One Word Closing Reflections Guests and featured contributors Al-Nesha Jones on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/alneshajones/ Jennifer Dymond on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenndymond/ Dena Martin on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/smoothsailing/ Erin Pohan on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinpohan People mentioned Randy Crabtree on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/randy-crabtree-cpa-1945a67/ Kellie Parks on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellie-parks/ Tori McKee on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/tori-staub-mckee-b1872427/ Shirley Koss on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/shirleykoss/ John Jauch on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-jauch-heart-mind-method/ Liz Farr on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizfarrcpa/ Nicole Davis on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicoledaviscpa Corry Jankowski on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/corry-jankowski/ Lynnette Oss-Connell on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lynnette-oss-connell/ Liz Scott on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizscottqbo/ Jina Etienne on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/etiennejina/ Gail Perry on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/gailperrycpa/ Conferences, communities, and resources Bridging the Gap Conference - https://www.btgconference.com/ BTG Notes by Ping Assistant - https://www.pingassistant.com/conference/bridging-the-gap Ping Assistant (Promo code: ASK-A-CPA for one month free) - https://app.pingassistant.com/ The Disruptors Podcast - https://cpatrendlines.com/category/featured-video/the-disruptors/ Theater of Public Speaking - https://publicspeaking.mistymegia.com/?ref=857055 Ask a CPA - https://aska.cpa/ Participation Town — https://participationtown.com/ SPONSORS: [Bill, Relay, Karbon] Join Our LinkedIn Page! https://www.linkedin.com/company/she-counts-podcast Subscribe on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@SheCountsPodcast Follow She Counts on IG https://www.instagram.com/shecounts.show/ Connect with Nancy https://www.thedancingaccountant.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancy-mcclelland-cpa

Women in accounting know how to evaluate an investment, calculate a return, and explain opportunity cost to a client. So why are we so bad at doing the same thing for ourselves? Nancy McClelland is joined by Marit Burmood for a candid conversation about ambition, opportunity, and the cumulative cost of saying yes. From speaking engagements and leadership roles to new clients and professional recognition, they explore how individually worthwhile opportunities can add up to a career, and a life, that looks nothing like what we intended. Drawing on their own experiences, Nancy and Marit examine the pressure to keep proving ourselves, the hidden costs of visibility and success, and how to audit our commitments against what we genuinely want from our professional and personal lives. Because an opportunity can be wonderful and still not be worth what it costs us. Sponsors Bill - http://bill.com/shecounts Relay - https://relayfi.com/shecounts Karbon - https://karbonhq.com/ (00:00) - Intuit Connect Invite (01:26) - Show Welcome Sponsors (02:19) - Meet Meruit (04:40) - Opportunity Cost Setup (06:16) - Board Seat Wake Up (09:05) - Emotions Fear Drivers (15:58) - Time Tracking Reality (18:25) - Recovery Time Matters (21:35) - Portfolio View Time (26:04) - Saying No To Speak (29:33) - Define Goals Audit (31:55) - Time Audit Reality Check (33:06) - Rank Priorities and Flex (35:25) - Define Your North Star (36:26) - Money and Enough (42:19) - Opportunity Cost Steps (44:35) - Hidden Time Costs (49:18) - Would You Choose Again (54:34) - Keep Change or Let Go (58:39) - Intentional Ambition Wrap (01:01:58) - Final Quote and Next Steps ResourcesIntuit Connect - Celebrate Women in Accounting Cabana Splash! - https://luma.com/gmyj5fzt Intuit Connect - She Counts! Women in Accounting Takeover - https://intuitconnect.braindate.com/braindates/309467 Marit Burmood on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/marit-burmood/ Marit Burmood on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/the_extroverted_accountant/ Marit Burmood CPA - https://www.maritburmoodcpa.com/ Flair Financial - https://www.flairfinancial.net/about Marit’s husband on IG - https://www.instagram.com/the_extreme_accountant/ Theatre of Public Speaking - https://publicspeaking.mistymegia.com/?ref=857055 Mariette Martinez on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariettemartinez/ Jennifer Dymond on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenndymond/ Justine Lackey on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinelackey/ Sharrin Fuller on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/sharrinfuller/ Deb Kilsheimer on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/debliberate/ Robina Bennion on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/robina-bennion/ Diana Gleason on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianagleason/ Erin Pohan on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinpohan/ WAVE-Austin - https://waveaustin.com/ David Leary on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidleary/ Joy of Missing Out (JOMO) - https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/happiness-is-state-mind/201807/jomo-the-joy-missing-out Roger Knecht’s GrowCon - https://universalaccountingschool.com/get-ready-for-growcon-meet-roger-knecht/ Melissa Miller Furgeson on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissamillerfurgeson/ Misty Schachtell Megia on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/misty-schachtell-3a634a2/ Lynnette Oss Connell - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lynnette-oss-connell/ Ask a CPA community for bookkeepers - https://aska.cpa/ SPONSORS: Bill, Relay, Karbon Join Our LinkedIn Page! https://www.linkedin.com/company/she-counts-podcast Subscribe on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@SheCountsPodcast Follow She Counts on IG https://www.instagram.com/shecounts.show/ Connect with Nancy https://www.thedancingaccountant.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancy-mcclelland-cpa

What happens when something you love no longer fits the life you need to live? Season 4 opens with Nancy McClelland interviewing her friend and founding co-host, Questian Telka, about her decision to step away from She Counts. Questian shares how burnout, family responsibilities, and financial priorities pushed her to follow the advice they’ve so often discussed on the show. Together, they revisit favorite episodes, laugh about what listeners never see, and talk honestly about the sadness, relief, and uncertainty of changing something they built together. Nancy also shares what’s ahead for the podcast—and what scares her about carrying it forward. If you’ve ever struggled to let go of a meaningful commitment, this conversation offers room to ask what you need to make space for in your own life. Sponsors Bill - http://bill.com/shecounts Relay - https://relayfi.com/shecounts Karbon - https://karbonhq.com/ (00:00) - Welcome to She Counts (01:20) - Season Four Begins (02:17) - Big News Questian Steps Away (03:50) - Burnout Warning Signs (06:43) - Life Reboot and Big Changes (11:06) - The Engage Heart to Heart (14:53) - Making Room for Family (18:35) - Mini Sabbatical Mindset (20:44) - How She Counts Started (22:15) - Funniest Behind the Scenes (23:55) - Favorite Live Episodes (26:39) - Upcoming Live Recordings (29:01) - Listener Moments and Impact (30:45) - Most Popular Episode Credit Due (32:03) - Guests Who Surprised Us (33:01) - Melissa’s Calming Presence (33:29) - Awards Season Anxiety (34:42) - Realizing People Listen (36:51) - From Ideas to Episodes (37:40) - The Hidden Podcast Work (39:36) - Balancing Passion and Profit (41:57) - Season Four Game Plan (45:32) - Confidence to Go Solo (46:45) - Impact and the Why (50:28) - Secret Fears After Change (54:43) - Finding Your Voice (56:03) - Takeaways and Farewell ResourcesQuestian Telka on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/questian-telka-ea/ Women in Accounting Visionary Entrepreneurs (WAVE) - https://cec4-erin.systeme.io/0cc9badd Erin Pohan on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinpohan/ Lynnette Oss Connell on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lynnette-oss-connell/ Break Free from Burnout with Lynnette Oss Connell - https://shecounts.show/4 Imposter Interrupted - https://shecounts.show/16 The Big “D”: Divorce - https://shecounts.show/26 Alicia Katz Pollock on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/aliciakatzpollock/ Why Brilliant Bookkeepers Undervalue Themselves - https://shecounts.show/27 Live at Bridging the Gap 2025 - https://shecounts.show/13 Participation Town - https://participation.automationtown.io/ Nancy leading “She Works Hard for the Money” at AICPA Women’s Global Leadership Summit https://photos.app.goo.gl/yudaTmMc2VqFzKA8A Credit Where Due - https://shecounts.show/23 The Courage to be Nominated - https://shecounts.show/29 Misty Schachtell Megia on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/misty-schachtell-3a634a2/ Theatre of Public Speaking - https://publicspeaking.mistymegia.com/?ref=857055 Katie Helle on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mkatiehelle/ Beyond Fear: The Courage to Begin Again - https://shecounts.show/34 Marit Burmood on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/marit-burmood/ She Believed in Me Before I Did - https://shecounts.show/2 Lindsay Patterson on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindsaypatterson/ Presence, Not Performance - https://shecounts.show/30 Justine Lackey on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinelackey/ Build the Business You Really Want - https://shecounts.show/10 Nicole Davis on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicoledaviscpa/ Roman Villard on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rdvcpa/ Aileen Gilpin on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/aileengilpin/ Eleanor Brown - https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/11485599-you-only-have-one-life-to-live-make-sure-its SPONSORS: [Bill, Relay, Karbon] Join Our LinkedIn Page! https://www.linkedin.com/company/she-counts-podcast Subscribe on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@SheCountsPodcast Follow She Counts on IG https://www.instagram.com/shecounts.show/ Connect with Nancy https://www.thedancingaccountant.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancy-mcclelland-cpa

Nancy is joined by Madeline Reeves, founder of Fearless Foundry and creative director of Advisory Amplified, for an uncomfortable but necessary conversation: the ways women sometimes undercut each other in business. Maddy shares the moment a client asked if her proposal was her "PITA fee," and the pattern that followed of being stiffed on invoices exclusively by women. Nancy argues that the real issue isn't generosity itself, but rather, who gets to decide what counts as a gift: the giver, not the person on the receiving end. From unpaid favors to predatory coaching dressed up as empowerment, this episode asks what we owe each other as women—and what we absolutely do not. Sponsors Bill - http://bill.com/shecounts Relay - https://relayfi.com/shecounts Karbon - https://karbonhq.com/ (00:00) - Welcome and Sponsors (01:00) - Meet Maddie Reeves (02:49) - Episode Topic Women vs Women (06:17) - PITA Fee Pricing Story (10:55) - Unpaid Invoices Pattern (14:27) - Setting Boundaries and Vetting (16:54) - Flag Waving Red Flags (21:21) - Women Talk Money Directory (26:04) - Contracts Grace and Dialogue (29:49) - Say It Out Loud Negotiation (32:00) - Why Money Talks Are Hard (33:19) - Talking Money Out Loud (34:53) - Mixed Feelings About Wealth (36:38) - Women Only Networks Limits (38:59) - Learning From Male Rooms (40:31) - Generosity And Access (43:15) - Predatory Coaching Exposed (49:05) - Spotting Red Flags (51:02) - Healthy Pricing Dialogue (52:26) - Shame And Collective Cost (57:50) - Building Boundaries And Norms (01:03:48) - Seasonal Capacity And Respect (01:05:36) - Closing Call To Action ResourcesMadeline Reeves on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/madelinekreeves/ Fearless Foundry - https://www.fearlessfoundry.com/ Advisory Amplified - https://www.advisoryamplified.com/?ref=roadie - 20% off with discount code Nancy-roadie Women in Accounting Visionary Entrepreneurs (WAVE) - https://cec4-erin.systeme.io/0cc9badd Erin Pohan on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinpohan/ Adrienne Maree Brown (Author excerpt) - https://earthlingopinion.wordpress.com/2019/03/01/fractals-the-relationship-between-small-and-large/ How to Be Perfect by Michael Schur (LA Review of Books) - https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/fools-and-philosophers-on-michael-schurs-how-to-be-perfect/ How to Be Perfect by Michael Schur (Interview w Nick Offerman) - https://youtu.be/jKP2f4D8nRc?si=ezryAYZqhVtiwpf3 Theatre of Public Speaking - https://publicspeaking.mistymegia.com/bundles/topscohort?ref=857055 Misty Schachtell Megia on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/misty-schachtell-3a634a2/ Only 2% Of Women-Owned Businesses Break The $1 Million Mark (Eilene Zimmerman in Forbes) - https://www.forbes.com/sites/eilenezimmerman/2015/04/01/only-2-of-women-owned-businesses-break-the-1-million-mark-heres-how-to-be-one-of-them/ SPONSORS: [Bill, Relay, Karbon] Join Our LinkedIn Page! https://www.linkedin.com/company/she-counts-podcast Subscribe on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@SheCountsPodcast Follow She Counts on IG https://www.instagram.com/shecounts.show/ Connect with Nancy https://www.thedancingaccountant.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancy-mcclelland-cpa

What changes when you discover who you are, trust what you have to say, and recognize the impact your voice can make? In the final episode of our Curtain Call series, Nancy and Theatre of Public Speaking CEO Misty Megia bring listeners two conversations about finding, trusting, and using your own voice. Certified Fraud Examiner Candy Bellau spent her career uncovering deception, but her latest investigation is far more personal: uncovering the fraud within. She shares how she learned to become a chameleon, adapting herself to the people around her to feel safe, accepted, and loved—and the work she’s now doing to find and express her authentic self. Emily spent years happily behind the scenes at her beloved nonprofit, Spike’s K9 Fund, until its mission required her to step forward. She discovered that she couldn’t simply borrow the voice of the gifted leader who came before her. She had to find her own. Their stories come from different places, but share a powerful realization: finding your own voice can change both how you show up in the world and the impact you’re able to make. Sponsors Bill - http://bill.com/shecounts Relay - https://relayfi.com/shecounts Karbon - https://karbonhq.com/ (00:00) - Welcome to She Counts (01:24) - Curtain Call Setup (02:08) - Finding Your Real Voice (04:45) - Meet Candy Bellau (05:56) - Fraud Examiner Origins (07:45) - Rules Tools and Ethics (09:33) - Spotting Fraud Patterns (12:25) - Trauma and Chameleon Skills (15:05) - Controls Compensation Culture (20:56) - The Fraud Within Explained (22:18) - Honesty Kindness and Feedback (26:59) - Kindness Across Contexts (27:24) - Work Boundaries vs Loved Ones (28:27) - Saying No to Friends (29:40) - Vulnerability and Inner Fraud (31:03) - Candy Journey Reflections (32:45) - Chameleon and Belonging (34:50) - Approval and People Pleasing (36:39) - Emily Finds Her Voice (39:43) - Mission to Protect K9 Heroes (43:59) - Tools for Confidence (47:08) - How to Support Working Dogs (48:31) - Take the First Step (50:30) - Misty on Transformation (55:10) - Fully Becoming Yourself (58:30) - Series Wrap and Call to Action ResourcesMisty Schachtell Megia on LinkedIn - Misty Schachtell | LinkedIn Candy Bellau on LinkedIn - Candy Bellau, CFE, PI | LinkedIn Dawn Brolin on LinkedIn - Dawn W. Brolin, CPA, CFE | LinkedIn Nicole Landau on LinkedIn - Nicole Landau, CFE 📊👷‍♀️🔦 | LinkedIn Robert Berry aka “That Audit Guy” on LinkedIn - Robert Berry | LinkedIn Valerie Heckman on LinkedIn - Valerie Heckman | LinkedIn Scaling New Heights - https://www.woodard.com/scaling-new-heights-2027-about Emily Soccino Grey on LinkedIn - Emily Soccino Grey | LinkedIn Spike’s K9 Fund.org - Spikes K9 Fund | Advocates for America's Working Dogs Spike’s K9 Fund on LinkedIn - Spike's K9 Fund: Home | LinkedIn Spike’s K9 Fund on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/spikesk9fund/ Spike’s K9 Fund on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/spikesk9fund/ Spike’s K9 Fund on Twitter - https://x.com/Spikesk9fund Spike’s K9 Fund on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCswqkkwkdkGwqyjKCkD5Jfw Theatre of Public Speaking - https://publicspeaking.mistymegia.com/?ref=857055 SPONSORS: [Bill, Relay, Karbon] Join Our LinkedIn Page! https://www.linkedin.com/company/she-counts-podcast Subscribe on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@SheCountsPodcast Follow She Counts on IG https://www.instagram.com/shecounts.show/ Connect with Nancy https://www.thedancingaccountant.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/nancy-mcclelland-cpa Connect with Questian https://www.reqoncilefinancials.com/