In this Outlawbrary episode, Kate and Shayla discuss Mattering: The Secret to Building a Life of Deep Purpose and Connection by Jennifer Breheny Wallace and explore a deceptively simple idea: feeling valued and adding value is a fundamental human need. From burnout and loneliness to leadership and workplace culture, they unpack why achievement alone isn’t enough and what happens when connection and contribution are missing. They reflect on: Why “fine” might be the worst way to describe your job The link between burnout and a lack of mattering The tension between individual responsibility and broken systems Why self-care matters (and not just to make you more productive) The concept of “personal policies” and setting boundaries that stick How small, everyday acts of recognition make the biggest difference The risk of “mattering too much” — when everyone depends on you Competitive workplaces vs cultures of connection What great leadership looks like when people genuinely feel seen Kate and Shayla also share personal stories from legal practice and leadership  including what it feels like to truly matter at work, and what happens when you don’t. This episode is a reminder that mattering isn’t about grand gestures or big achievements but built in the small, relational moments of everyday life. If you loved this episode... Share it with a friend who’s wanting a change (or just needs permission to do the thing!). Rate and review Outlaws on Apple Podcasts or Spotify — it helps more Outlaws find us Find out more Website: www.outlawspodcast.com Subscribe to our newsletter for updates, tools, and more Outlawbrary picks Connect with us Instagram: @the.outlaws.podcast - https://www.instagram.com/the.outlaws.podcast Facebook Group: Outlaws Podcast Community - https://www.facebook.com/groups/the.outlaws.podcast LinkedIn: Outlaws Podcast - https://www.linkedin.com/company/106681587 Email: [email protected] Hosted and produced by Shayla Strapps and Kate Offer