The American healthcare system is sick. This week, Akilah talks with Abdul El-Sayed—physician, public health expert, and U.S. Senate candidate—about the structural problems at the heart of American healthcare, from medical debt to for-profit insurance. They also unpack the growing gap between real public health expertise and the rise of political figures like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Mehmet Oz, and what it says about trust, media, and power. It’s a conversation about systems, incentives—and what it would actually take to build something better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices