Rishi Sunak & Akshata Murty: Dharma, Failure & The Middle Path | Nikhil Kamath | People by WTF
Rishi Sunak says patience is a bigger competitive advantage than speed, that every decision that reaches a leader is 50-50 by definition because if it weren't someone else would have made it, that the long term is just a succession of short terms you either survived or got kicked out of, and that the thing he wishes he'd done more of in his career is read fiction — because non-fiction tells you what to do and how to do it but fiction teaches you why and gives you a deeper understanding of people.Akshata Murty says her identity was never her father's name or her husband's title, that the middle path between stoicism and epicureanism is where the answer almost always lives, and that the validation she chases is impact — not position, not wealth, not the approval of people who've already decided who she is.First couple's episode we've ever done, and it went places none of us expected.Timestamps:00:00 Introduction06:04 Foundery: India's consumer brand accelerator12:20 Storytelling as a leadership superpower18:05 Parents' pharmacy inspired political career24:04 Educating children in the AI era30:05 Leaning into human skills over AI36:17 How Rishi and Akshata decide differently42:10 Goldman Sachs to Prime Minister journey48:03 Patience as an underrated competitive advantage54:15 Entering politics: resilience, patience, service1:00:06 Staying unapologetically Indian in British politics1:06:51 Life inside 10 Downing Street1:12:20 AI sovereignty and global trade tensions1:18:32 De-globalisation and supply chain resilience1:24:38 Free trade, tariffs, and level playing fields1:31:17 Akshata's identity beyond famous family1:37:53 Validation through impact, not inheritance1:44:04 Finding balance between desire and austerity1:50:04 Being kind to yourself after failure1:56:42 Identity, heritage, and the living bridge2:03:03 Nostalgic Bangalore food and childhood memories2:09:05 Why young Indians should enter politics2:16:03 Education, financial literacy, and compounding2:22:04 Learning to learn in the AI age2:29:52 How Rishi and Akshata use AI daily2:37:09 Can AI truly be creative?2:44:06 Losing the Prime Ministership: lessons in dharma2:51:30 Poets versus politicians: who should we hear?2:58:17 Motivating young people to shape policyNikhil KamathCo-founder of Zerodha and GruhasHost of 'WTF is' & 'People By WTF' PodcastTwitter: https://x.com/nikhilkamathcio/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nikhilkamathcioLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikhilkamathcio/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nikhilkamathcioRishi SunakYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@rishisunakX: https://x.com/RishiSunak?s=20Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rishisunakmpFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/rishisunakAkshata MurtyYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@akshataonlineX: https://x.com/anmurtyInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/rishisunakmpFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/rishisunakWatch on Spotifyhttps://tinyurl.com/4nsm4eznhttps://tinyurl.com/yme92c59https://tinyurl.com/4tjua4th#WTFiswithnikhilkamath#PeopleByWTF#WTFOnline
