<p><strong>Episode 22: Let's do the Math!<br></strong>—</p><p>Sam Nadler and Jordan Metzner return with one of the most mind-bending episodes yet. Joined by Carina, founder &amp; CEO of Axiom Math, the startup is building a self-improving, formal-reasoning AI mathematician. The trio breaks down why math is the next AI frontier, how Lean formalization works, and why proving theorems is a completely different challenge than solving them.</p><p>Jordan also unveils his newest build: the LLM Math Roaster,  a tool that scores, compares, and even <em>roasts</em> large models on proofs, with a full leaderboard, custom problem submissions, and an API for automated evaluation. (Yes, it even benchmarked Gemini, GPT-5, Claude, and Grok head-to-head.)</p><p>In AI News, the hosts unpack Google’s massive Gemini 3 launch, Jeff Bezos stepping into the arena with Project Prometheus, and Suno’s $250M raise at a $2.45B valuation, plus what hyper-powerful AI means for creativity, coding, and even music composition.</p><p>It’s fast builds, deep math, big models, and a guest who’s literally building the future of reasoning.</p><p>—<strong><br> Show Notes:<br> </strong>(0:00) Intro + welcoming our guest Carina<br> (1:00) What Axiom Math is building<br> (3:00) Jordan’s LM Math Roaster: how it works<br> (5:00) Testing models on proofs (Gemini, GPT-5, Claude, Grok)<br> (7:00) Why formal proofs beat natural-language reasoning<br> (9:00) The data bottleneck: Lean scarcity &amp; synthetic generation<br> (12:00) How formal systems unlock “research-level” AI math<br> (15:00) Comparing LLM math vs. Axiom’s approach<br> (18:00) AI News: Gemini 3 hits the market<br> (20:00) Jeff Bezos returns with Project Prometheus<br> (22:00) Suno raises $250M — AI-generated music explodes<br> (24:00) How math, code &amp; creativity overlap<br> (25:30) Episode wrap-up + what’s coming next<br>—</p><p><strong>Platforms / Tools Mentioned:<br> • Axiom Math – https://www.axiom.ai<br> • Gemini 3 –</strong><a href="https://ai.google.dev"><strong> https://ai.google.dev<br></strong></a><strong> • Lean / mathlib –</strong><a href="https://lean-lang.org"><strong> https://lean-lang.org<br></strong></a><strong> • Grok / xAI –</strong><a href="https://x.ai"><strong> https://x.ai<br></strong></a><strong> • GPT-5.x –</strong><a href="https://openai.com"><strong> https://openai.com<br></strong></a><strong> • Claude –</strong><a href="https://www.anthropic.com"><strong> https://www.anthropic.com</strong></a></p><p>—<br> <strong>Listen on Your Favorite Platform:<br></strong> • Spotify –<a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/0ahiOCzYxhhkEgbtz9kkeC"> https://open.spotify.com/show/0ahiOCzYxhhkEgbtz9kkeC<br></a> • Apple Podcasts –<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/built-this-week/id1823270832"> https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/built-this-week/id1823270832<br></a> • Amazon Music – <a href="https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1017d387-fbb0-4bbf-9488-817cee38e058">https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1017d387-fbb0-4bbf-9488-817cee38e058<br></a> • Deezer –<a href="https://www.deezer.com/us/show/1001995001"> https://www.deezer.com/us/show/1001995001</a></p><p>—<br> <strong>Follow the Hosts:<br></strong> <em>Jordan Metzner<br></em> • LinkedIn –<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanmetzner/"> https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanmetzner/<br></a> • Instagram –<a href="https://www.instagram.com/mrjmetz/"> https://www.instagram.com/mrjmetz/<br></a> • X –<a href="https://x.com/mrjmetz?lang=bn"> https://x.com/mrjmetz?lang=bn<br></a><br></p><p><em>Sam Nadler<br></em> • LinkedIn –<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-nadler-1881b75/"> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-nadler-1881b75/<br></a> • X –<a href="http://x.com/Gravino05"> http://x.com/Gravino05</a></p>

Built This Week

Jordan Metzner, Samuel Nadler

Let's do the Math!

NOV 21, 202526 MIN
Built This Week

Let's do the Math!

NOV 21, 202526 MIN

Description

Episode 22: Let's do the Math!

Sam Nadler and Jordan Metzner return with one of the most mind-bending episodes yet. Joined by Carina, founder & CEO of Axiom Math, the startup is building a self-improving, formal-reasoning AI mathematician. The trio breaks down why math is the next AI frontier, how Lean formalization works, and why proving theorems is a completely different challenge than solving them.

Jordan also unveils his newest build: the LLM Math Roaster,  a tool that scores, compares, and even roasts large models on proofs, with a full leaderboard, custom problem submissions, and an API for automated evaluation. (Yes, it even benchmarked Gemini, GPT-5, Claude, and Grok head-to-head.)

In AI News, the hosts unpack Google’s massive Gemini 3 launch, Jeff Bezos stepping into the arena with Project Prometheus, and Suno’s $250M raise at a $2.45B valuation, plus what hyper-powerful AI means for creativity, coding, and even music composition.

It’s fast builds, deep math, big models, and a guest who’s literally building the future of reasoning.


 Show Notes:
 
(0:00) Intro + welcoming our guest Carina
 (1:00) What Axiom Math is building
 (3:00) Jordan’s LM Math Roaster: how it works
 (5:00) Testing models on proofs (Gemini, GPT-5, Claude, Grok)
 (7:00) Why formal proofs beat natural-language reasoning
 (9:00) The data bottleneck: Lean scarcity & synthetic generation
 (12:00) How formal systems unlock “research-level” AI math
 (15:00) Comparing LLM math vs. Axiom’s approach
 (18:00) AI News: Gemini 3 hits the market
 (20:00) Jeff Bezos returns with Project Prometheus
 (22:00) Suno raises $250M — AI-generated music explodes
 (24:00) How math, code & creativity overlap
 (25:30) Episode wrap-up + what’s coming next

Platforms / Tools Mentioned:
 • Axiom Math – https://www.axiom.ai
 • Gemini 3 –
https://ai.google.dev
• Lean / mathlib – https://lean-lang.org
• Grok / xAI – https://x.ai
• GPT-5.x – https://openai.com
• Claude – https://www.anthropic.com


 Listen on Your Favorite Platform:
 • Spotify – https://open.spotify.com/show/0ahiOCzYxhhkEgbtz9kkeC
• Apple Podcasts – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/built-this-week/id1823270832
• Amazon Music – https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/1017d387-fbb0-4bbf-9488-817cee38e058
• Deezer – https://www.deezer.com/us/show/1001995001


 Follow the Hosts:
 Jordan Metzner
 • LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanmetzner/
• Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/mrjmetz/
• X – https://x.com/mrjmetz?lang=bn

Sam Nadler
 • LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/sam-nadler-1881b75/
• X – http://x.com/Gravino05