Europe has come to grips with a new reality, ushered in by the Trump administration: Europe needs to commit more resources to its own security. That's according to Sweden's Chief of Defense, General Michael Claesson. In this sit-down with Mary Louise Kelly, Claesson unpacks the NATO alliance from a European military perspective -- and also weighs in on the wars in Ukraine and Iran. Email the show at [email protected]+ supporters hear every episode without sponsor messages and unlock access to our complete archive. Sign up at plus.npr.org.To manage podcast ad preferences, review the links below:See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences.NPR Privacy Policy