This week, Chenjerai is back on one of his favorite beats: policing in America 👮He has a long conversation with Mac Muir, the author of Cop Cop: Breaking the Fixed System of American Policing. Muir recently served as the Executive Director of Oakland, California’s Community Police Review Agency and before then was a Supervising Investigator at NYC’s CCRB. He shares stories from inside his work as a police investigator and discusses the changes needed to hold bad cops accountable. We also hear an excerpt from an interview with a nurse and negotiator on the front line of the ongoing massive Kaiser Permanente strike. You can listen to the full interview on Patreon. We make Unruly Subjects 100% independently. Please support the show on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/UnrulySubjectsFollow Chenjerai on Instagram @chenjerai and Bluesky @chenjerai.bsky.social and follow Unruly Subjects @unrulysubjectspod Get in touch [email protected] Music by Blue Dot Sessions and Grizzly Beatz. And be sure to check out A.D. Carson’s music: https://aydeethegreat.bandcamp.com/Unruly Subjects is created in partnership with Rowhome ProductionsFurther reading & sources from this episodePatients over Profits: Kaiser Permanente’s Shift in Institutional Priorities and the Dire Consequences to Health Carehttps://unacuhcp.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/ProfitsOverPatients_2026.pdfCop Cop: Breaking The Fixed System of American Policing by Mac Muir and Greg Finchhttps://bookshop.org/p/books/cop-cop-breaking-the-fixed-system-of-american-policing-greg-finch/80787c7f569e3db3?ean=9781638930082&next=tAnd for a VERY different take on what to do about police read Copaganda: How Police and the Media Manipulate Our News By Alec Karakatsanishttps://bookshop.org/p/books/copaganda-how-police-and-the-media-manipulate-our-news-alec-karakatsanis/64c2d92e5fd56320?ean=9781620978535&next=tBeing Dope: AD Carson - https://global.oup.com/academic/product/being-dope-9780197772669The NYPD Strategic Response Unit https://www.thenation.com/article/society/nypd-settlement-agreement-police-violence/The Mollen Commission Report - https://digitalcommons.nyls.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2017&context=nyls_law_review Support the show