How a Smithsonian Museum is Working with Southeast Asia | Asia Forward | Episode 17
Who owns art, and who gets to share it? In episode 17 of Asia Forward, host Ei Thant Sin speaks with Joanna Gohmann, Associate Curator of Provenance & Object Histories at Smithsonian’s National Museum of Asian Art, about how museums approach questions of ownership, provenance, repatriation and shared stewardship. Gohmann explains how researchers trace the movement and ownership of objects over time, what can be lost when artifacts are removed without proper documentation, and why legal ownership and ethical responsibility do not always lead to the same answer. The conversation looks closely at Cambodia, where the museum recently returned three sculptures after provenance research indicated they most likely left the country during the Khmer Rouge period. Gohmann also discusses the museum’s ongoing work with Cambodian partners, including joint research and the continued display of some Cambodian objects through collaboration and loans. One example is the monumental 11th-century bronze Vishnu Reclining on the Serpent Ananta, now on loan to the museum from the National Museum of Cambodia as part of the Vishnu’s Cosmic Ocean exhibition. The episode also explores the museum’s partnerships with Indonesian museums, the importance of Southeast Asian art to diaspora communities, Burmese Kammavaca manuscripts in the collection, and the Prehistoric Spirals exhibition featuring ancient earthenware from Thailand.Gohmann also reflects on how partnerships with researchers and institutions in Southeast Asia are changing the way museums study, interpret and care for collections, and why those relationships matter for the future of provenance research. 0:25 Introduction 1:33 What is provenance research? 2:54 Why an object’s ownership history matters 4:19 How researchers trace an object’s journey 6:50 What gets lost when art is removed from its context 9:08 How the Smithsonian traced Cambodian sculptures 10:02 What repatriation means for Smithsonian’s National Museum of Asian Art’s U.S.-Cambodia museum partnership, what Cambodia got back and what remains on display 14:03 How Smithsonian’s NMAA also partners with Indonesian museums 15:55 Who should decide where cultural objects belong? 19:23 How Burmese manuscripts at Smithsonian’s NMAA show why Southeast Asian art matters to diaspora communities 21:04 How Smithsonian’s NMAA partnerships benefit the museum and its counterparts 22:06 How Smithsonian’s NMAA researchers study ancient Thai earthenware 24:22 What drew Joanna Gohmann to Asian art and provenance research 26:58 Where Smithsonian’s NMAA U.S.-Southeast Asia museum partnerships go next