Laugh Now, Cry Later

Kas and Lellies get personal about growth, ambition, sacrifice, and how relationships change when two people’s goals don’t always line up. After celebrating Lellies’ career wins at Essence Fest, the conversation turns to how much they’ve both changed since they first met. From self-sabotage and learning to bet on yourself to becoming more patient, more confident, and more intentional, they reflect on the versions of themselves they’ve had to leave behind. Then things get real: What happens when one person is ready to start a family while the other is still chasing career goals? Kas opens up about wanting another child, while Lellies explains why she still wants time to go hard for her career. They also debate the sacrifices people make for love, whether you should relocate for your partner’s dream opportunity, whether long-distance relationships actually work, and one of the biggest questions of the episode: Do you have to be selfish to become successful? Two perspectives. One relationship. Two Things Can Be True. 00:00 God Bless You: Lellies Is Changing 00:53 Welcome Back to Two Things Can Be True 01:19 Lellies’ Big Weekend at Essence Fest 03:01 From the Back Door to the Superdome 05:20 Self-Sabotage, Motivation & Needing Haters 06:20 Learning to Stop Breaking Yourself Down 08:22 Undersell and Overdeliver 09:58 What Have We Outgrown? 11:07 Stop Talking Yourself Out of Your Dreams 12:30 What Should Never Change About Us? 14:52 How Different Are We From When We Met? 17:29 Learning How to Be “Nice Nasty” 19:33 Growing and Changing in a Relationship 20:04 Have Our Goals Stopped Aligning? 20:16 Career vs. Starting a Family 23:22 When Two People Want Different Things 26:20 Are You Ever Really Ready for a Child? 29:37 What Have You Sacrificed for This Relationship? 32:29 Putting Your Career on Hold for Your Partner 33:44 The Dream Job Scenario: Who Should Compromise? 36:14 Can We Actually Do Long Distance? 37:34 Is Following Your Dreams Selfish? 40:00 Can Resentment Ruin the Sacrifice? 40:55 The Things We Do for Love