<p>I believe we need compelling visions of life after the current horror is over. What if we loved our children? How would things be different? Here’s my 2011 conversation with DAVID KIRP about his book, KIDS FIRST: <em>Five Big Ideas for Transforming Children's Lives and America's Future</em>. These innovative programs have all been tried. They work and they deserve to be invested in and expanded nationally. I believe they could change so many things - for children, families, communities, and could even soften our political divisions.</p><p><br><br></p>