<description>I first heard about this guy on the Joe Rogan show. He built a hot business on a simple concept: Companies hire him to embed AI usage and thinking in their businesses. Now he’s creating his own agent software (a customized version of NeoClaw) that he’s installing in companies.
Best of all: Jon Cheney says what he built at GenAIPI can be built by people listening to this episode. We break down how.
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://mixergy.com/interviews/i-make-4-5-million-implementing-ai/"&gt;&lt;img src="https://mixergy.com/interviews/i-make-4-5-million-implementing-ai/?get-twitter-card=true&amp;amp;v=14&amp;amp;time=1776927765" alt="" class="alignnone size-full"/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Jon Cheney is the founder of &lt;a href="https://genaipi.org/"&gt;GenAIPI&lt;/a&gt; (General AI Proficiency Institute), an AI consulting and enablement company that helps businesses adopt AI through training, strategy, and implementation. He previously built and exited a venture-backed startup, then used AI tools to launch GenAIPI from scratch with just $400. Today, the company is at roughly $4.5M ARR and is evolving from fractional AI consulting into software-assisted AI infrastructure for clients.&lt;/p&gt;
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Jon Cheney of GenAIPI

I first heard about this guy on the Joe Rogan show. He built a hot business on a simple concept: Companies hire him to embed AI usage and thinking in their businesses. Now he’s creating his own agent software (a customized version of NeoClaw) that he’s installing in companies.
Best of all: Jon Cheney says what he built at GenAIPI can be built by people listening to this episode. We break down how.
<a href="https://mixergy.com/interviews/i-make-4-5-million-implementing-ai/"><img src="https://mixergy.com/interviews/i-make-4-5-million-implementing-ai/?get-twitter-card=true&amp;v=14&amp;time=1776927765" alt="" class="alignnone size-full"/></a>Jon Cheney is the founder of <a href="https://genaipi.org/">GenAIPI</a> (General AI Proficiency Institute), an AI consulting and enablement company that helps businesses adopt AI through training, strategy, and implementation. He previously built and exited a venture-backed startup, then used AI tools to launch GenAIPI from scratch with just $400. Today, the company is at roughly $4.5M ARR and is evolving from fractional AI consulting into software-assisted AI infrastructure for clients.
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#2304 “I make $4.5 million implementing AI”

<description>On X, Shane Mac showed how he created an OpenClaw agent and asked it to copy an app. In this interview, he showed how his app Convos, does it. This interview is more visual than our usual ones, so you should head over to our YouTube channel for builders to see it.
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://mixergy.com/interviews/convos-instant-openclaw-on-your-phone/"&gt;&lt;img src="https://mixergy.com/interviews/convos-instant-openclaw-on-your-phone/?get-twitter-card=true&amp;amp;v=14&amp;amp;time=1776669621" alt="" class="alignnone size-full"/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Shane Mac is the founder of &lt;a href="https://www.xmtplabs.com/"&gt;XMTP&lt;/a&gt;, the protocol behind Convos, a chat app that allows users to launch and interact with AI agents like OpenClaw and Hermes on their phones. He is building tools that make agents more personal, more mobile, and more useful in everyday life, from coordination and planning to app creation and information monitoring.&lt;/p&gt;
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Shane Mac of XMTP Labs

On X, Shane Mac showed how he created an OpenClaw agent and asked it to copy an app. In this interview, he showed how his app Convos, does it. This interview is more visual than our usual ones, so you should head over to our YouTube channel for builders to see it.
<a href="https://mixergy.com/interviews/convos-instant-openclaw-on-your-phone/"><img src="https://mixergy.com/interviews/convos-instant-openclaw-on-your-phone/?get-twitter-card=true&amp;v=14&amp;time=1776669621" alt="" class="alignnone size-full"/></a>Shane Mac is the founder of <a href="https://www.xmtplabs.com/">XMTP</a>, the protocol behind Convos, a chat app that allows users to launch and interact with AI agents like OpenClaw and Hermes on their phones. He is building tools that make agents more personal, more mobile, and more useful in everyday life, from coordination and planning to app creation and information monitoring.
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#2303 Convos: Instant OpenClaw on your phone

<description>Zapier just announced a new way for founders to integrate all their favorite apps with their favorite AI model. Wade Foster, their co-founder, came on to show what we can build with it.
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://mixergy.com/interviews/superpowering-claude-with-10000-apps/"&gt;&lt;img src="https://mixergy.com/interviews/superpowering-claude-with-10000-apps/?get-twitter-card=true&amp;amp;v=14&amp;amp;time=1775557212" alt="" class="alignnone size-full"/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Wade Foster is the co-founder and CEO of &lt;a href="https://zapier.com/"&gt;Zapier&lt;/a&gt;, the automation platform that connects thousands of business apps and workflows. In this interview, he shares how he is using Zapier’s SDK and coding agents to automate parts of his own CEO role, from customer outreach and meeting prep to hiring review and daily planning.&lt;/p&gt;
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Wade Foster of Zapier

Zapier just announced a new way for founders to integrate all their favorite apps with their favorite AI model. Wade Foster, their co-founder, came on to show what we can build with it.
<a href="https://mixergy.com/interviews/superpowering-claude-with-10000-apps/"><img src="https://mixergy.com/interviews/superpowering-claude-with-10000-apps/?get-twitter-card=true&amp;v=14&amp;time=1775557212" alt="" class="alignnone size-full"/></a>Wade Foster is the co-founder and CEO of <a href="https://zapier.com/">Zapier</a>, the automation platform that connects thousands of business apps and workflows. In this interview, he shares how he is using Zapier’s SDK and coding agents to automate parts of his own CEO role, from customer outreach and meeting prep to hiring review and daily planning.
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#2302 Superpowering Claude with 10,000 apps

<description>When OpenClaw was released, I watched Nat Eliason create an agent, give it an X account and tell it to earn money. This is the story of how it worked and how you can build an AI agent as your co-founder or employee.
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://mixergy.com/interviews/how-nat-eliasons-openclaw-earned-177417/"&gt;&lt;img src="https://mixergy.com/interviews/how-nat-eliasons-openclaw-earned-177417/?get-twitter-card=true&amp;amp;v=14&amp;amp;time=1774602434" alt="" class="alignnone size-full"/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nat Eliason is the operator behind &lt;a href="https://felixcraft.ai/"&gt;Felix&lt;/a&gt;, an autonomous OpenClaw agent business that has generated nearly $200,000 in about two months through products, services, and agent-focused software. He is also building tools like Claw Mart, Sodex, and Agent Letters to support the growing ecosystem of AI agents doing real commercial work online. In addition to this work, he is involved with Alpha School, where he is helping shape entrepreneurship-focused education.&lt;/p&gt;
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Nat Eliason of The Masinov Company

When OpenClaw was released, I watched Nat Eliason create an agent, give it an X account and tell it to earn money. This is the story of how it worked and how you can build an AI agent as your co-founder or employee.
<a href="https://mixergy.com/interviews/how-nat-eliasons-openclaw-earned-177417/"><img src="https://mixergy.com/interviews/how-nat-eliasons-openclaw-earned-177417/?get-twitter-card=true&amp;v=14&amp;time=1774602434" alt="" class="alignnone size-full"/></a>Nat Eliason is the operator behind <a href="https://felixcraft.ai/">Felix</a>, an autonomous OpenClaw agent business that has generated nearly $200,000 in about two months through products, services, and agent-focused software. He is also building tools like Claw Mart, Sodex, and Agent Letters to support the growing ecosystem of AI agents doing real commercial work online. In addition to this work, he is involved with Alpha School, where he is helping shape entrepreneurship-focused education.
Sponsored by <a href="https://zapier.com/">Zapier</a>
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#2301 How Nat Eliason’s OpenClaw earned $177,417

<description>There are loads of apps that post to social media. So how did Nevo David get Postiz to take off? He started selling it to AI agents
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://mixergy.com/interviews/revenue-jumped-when-he-sold-to-ai-agents/"&gt;&lt;img src="https://mixergy.com/interviews/revenue-jumped-when-he-sold-to-ai-agents/?get-twitter-card=true&amp;amp;v=14&amp;amp;time=1773223020" alt="" class="alignnone size-full"/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Nevo David is the founder of &lt;a href="https://postiz.com/"&gt;Postiz&lt;/a&gt;, an open-source social media scheduling platform designed for automation and AI-driven workflows. By leaning into open source, building tools for agents like OpenClaw, and simplifying integrations through a CLI interface, Nevo turned a crowded product category into a fast-growing bootstrapped SaaS. Today &lt;a href="https://postiz.com/"&gt;Postiz&lt;/a&gt; generates over $45K in monthly recurring revenue while continuing to evolve for the emerging agent ecosystem.&lt;/p&gt;
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Nevo David of Postiz

There are loads of apps that post to social media. So how did Nevo David get Postiz to take off? He started selling it to AI agents
<a href="https://mixergy.com/interviews/revenue-jumped-when-he-sold-to-ai-agents/"><img src="https://mixergy.com/interviews/revenue-jumped-when-he-sold-to-ai-agents/?get-twitter-card=true&amp;v=14&amp;time=1773223020" alt="" class="alignnone size-full"/></a>Nevo David is the founder of <a href="https://postiz.com/">Postiz</a>, an open-source social media scheduling platform designed for automation and AI-driven workflows. By leaning into open source, building tools for agents like OpenClaw, and simplifying integrations through a CLI interface, Nevo turned a crowded product category into a fast-growing bootstrapped SaaS. Today <a href="https://postiz.com/">Postiz</a> generates over $45K in monthly recurring revenue while continuing to evolve for the emerging agent ecosystem.
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#2300 Revenue jumped when he sold to AI agents

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