Can Indie Podcasters and Media Creators Still Win? | Dave Jackson #661
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;"><img decoding="async" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-2071" src="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/New-Media-Show-Episode-661-Dave-Jackson-300x300-1.png" alt="" width="300" height="300" srcset="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/New-Media-Show-Episode-661-Dave-Jackson-300x300-1.png 300w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/New-Media-Show-Episode-661-Dave-Jackson-300x300-1-150x150.png 150w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" />On </span><b>Episode 661 of </b>The<b> New Media Show</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">, host </span><b>Rob Greenlee</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">, 2017 Podcast Hall of Fame inductee, Chairperson of the <a href="http://PodcastHall.com">Podcast Hall of Fame</a>, and longtime new media executive, is joined by </span><b>Dave Jackson</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">, 2018 Podcast Hall of Fame inductee, founder of </span><a href="http://SchoolofPodcasting.com"><b>School of Podcasting</b></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, and Head of Podcasting at </span><a href="http://Podpage.com"><b>Podpage.com</b></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">, <strong>for a deep conversation about whether independent podcasters and media creators can still win in today’s rapidly changing creator economy.</strong></span></p>
<p><strong>This episode centers on a question many creators are quietly asking right now: </strong></p>
<blockquote><p><em><b>Can indie podcasters still grow, monetize, and build trust in a market being reshaped by video, AI, platform control, and professionalized media production?</b></em></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Rob and Dave discuss the recent combination of </span><b>Podpage and School of Podcasting</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">, <strong>why podcast education matters more than ever</strong>, and how websites, email lists, communities, video, RSS, and AI-assisted workflows are becoming essential parts of a creator’s survival strategy. <strong>Dave joined Podpage as Head of Podcasting in 2024</strong>, and School of Podcasting has been helping creators launch, grow, and monetize podcasts since 2005. </span></p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>The conversation also moves into some of the biggest issues facing podcasting and new media in 2026, including AI-generated shows, human voice and video cloning, creator burnout, YouTube’s influence on podcast identity, Apple’s HLS video podcast direction, and why human trust may become the most valuable asset creators have left.</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;"><strong>Rob and Dave bring decades of experience to this discussion.</strong> </span></p>
<blockquote><p><em><strong>Both have seen podcasting shift through multiple technology waves, from the early RSS era to platform consolidation, video podcasting, AI tools, and the rise of creator-led media. That history makes this episode a practical and honest look at what indie creators need to do now to stay relevant, trusted, and discoverable.</strong></em></p></blockquote>
<h2><b>What does this episode cover?</b></h2>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Can independent podcasters still succeed in a noisier, more competitive market?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">What does “winning” even mean now: downloads, money, trust, community, authority, or sustainability?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Why the Podpage and School of Podcasting connection matters for podcast education and creator websites</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Why podcasters need a home base beyond social platforms and YouTube</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">How AI is changing show notes, images, writing, research, production, and creator workflows</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Why AI-generated content should not all be treated as spam, but fraud and abuse must be addressed</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">How human storytelling, lived experience, and trust help creators stand apart from AI content</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Why video is becoming harder to ignore, but audio-only creators should not panic</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">How YouTube has changed public perception of what a podcast is</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">What Apple’s HLS video direction could mean for audio, video, RSS, and creator workflows</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Why websites, email lists, communities, and audience ownership still matter</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">How indie creators can avoid burnout while adapting to new media expectations</span></p>
<h2><b>Key Takeaways:</b></h2>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Indie podcasters can still win, but the definition of winning has changed.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Creators need more than a microphone and a media host. They need clarity, a trusted point of view, a website, a distribution plan, and a realistic path to audience growth.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">AI is not going away. The smartest creators will learn how to use it without losing their human voice.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Video will continue reshaping podcasting, but not every creator has to become a full-scale video studio overnight.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Human-created content still has a powerful advantage when it is rooted in story, experience, transparency, and trust.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Websites are becoming more important again because creators need a stable home base that is not controlled by a single platform.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Podcast education matters because the barrier to starting is low, but the barrier to standing out is much higher.</span></p>
<h2><b>Guest</b></h2>
<p><b>Dave Jackson</b><b><br />
</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">Founder, School of Podcasting</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span><span style="font-weight: 400;">Head of Podcasting, Podpage.com</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span><span style="font-weight: 400;">2018 Podcast Hall of Fame inductee</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span><span style="font-weight: 400;">Author of </span><i><span style="font-weight: 400;">Profit From Your Podcast</span></i></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Dave Jackson has been helping creators launch and improve podcasts since 2005 through the School of Podcasting. He is also Head of Podcasting at Podpage, where he supports podcasters using websites as a central hub for discovery, audience ownership, and long-term growth. (</span><a href="https://www.schoolofpodcasting.com/?utm_source=chatgpt.com"><span style="font-weight: 400;">The School of Podcasting</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Guest links:</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span><span style="font-weight: 400;">School of Podcasting:</span><a href="https://www.schoolofpodcasting.com/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://www.schoolofpodcasting.com/</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">Podpage:</span><a href="https://www.podpage.com/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://www.podpage.com/</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">Dave Jackson:</span><a href="https://davidjackson.org/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://davidjackson.org/</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">Podcast Consultant:</span><a href="https://www.podcastconsultant.com/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://www.podcastconsultant.com/</span></a></p>
<h2><b>Host</b></h2>
<p><b>Rob Greenlee</b><b><br />
</b><span style="font-weight: 400;">Host, The New Media Show</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span><span style="font-weight: 400;">Podcast Hall of Fame inductee</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span><span style="font-weight: 400;">Chairperson, Podcast Hall of Fame</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span><span style="font-weight: 400;">Founder, Trust Factor Lab and Adore Network</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span><span style="font-weight: 400;">Co-Founder, Passion Struck Network</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Host and show links:</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span><span style="font-weight: 400;">New Media Show:</span><a href="https://newmediashow.com/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://newmediashow.com/</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">Rob Greenlee:</span><a href="https://robgreenlee.com/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://robgreenlee.com/</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">Podcast Hall of Fame:</span><a href="https://podcasthall.com/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://podcasthall.com/</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">Adore Network:</span><a href="https://adorenetwork.com/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://adorenetwork.com/</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">Trust Factor Lab:</span><a href="https://trustfactorlab.com/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://trustfactorlab.com/</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">Passion Struck Network:</span><a href="https://passionstrucknetwork.com/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://passionstrucknetwork.com/</span><span style="font-weight: 400;"><br />
</span></a><span style="font-weight: 400;">Rob on LinkedIn:</span><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee/"> <span style="font-weight: 400;">https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee/</span></a></p>
<p><strong>Bottom Line in this Episode:</strong></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">This episode answers a major creator economy question for 2026: </span><b>Can indie podcasters and independent media creators still compete as podcasting becomes more professional, more video-driven, and more influenced by AI?</b></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">Rob Greenlee and Dave Jackson explain why the answer is yes, but only if creators evolve. The winning indie creator now needs a clear purpose, a strong human voice, trusted expertise, a discoverable website, owned audience channels, thoughtful use of AI, and a strategy that works across audio, video, search, social, and community.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: 400;">The episode is especially useful for podcasters, YouTube creators, podcast consultants, media educators, creator economy leaders, podcast hosting companies, AI media startups, and independent showrunners trying to understand the next phase of podcasting and new media.</span></p><p>The post <a href="https://newmediashow.com/can-indie-podcasters-and-media-creators-still-win-dave-jackson-661/">Can Indie Podcasters and Media Creators Still Win? | Dave Jackson #661</a> first appeared on <a href="https://newmediashow.com">New Media Show</a>.</p>