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New Media Show with Rob Greenlee formerly co-hosted by Todd Cochrane RIP discussing the new media and podcasting space with new weekly guest co-hosts.

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Apple Video Podcasts, RSS vs API, Rise of Synthetic Creators | Justin Jackson #657
APR 7, 2026
Apple Video Podcasts, RSS vs API, Rise of Synthetic Creators | Justin Jackson #657
<div class="relative basis-auto flex-col -mb-(--composer-overlap-px) pb-(--composer-overlap-px) [--composer-overlap-px:28px] grow flex"> <div class="flex flex-col text-sm pb-25"> <section class="text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none [--shadow-height:45px] has-data-writing-block:pointer-events-none has-data-writing-block:-mt-(--shadow-height) has-data-writing-block:pt-(--shadow-height) [&amp;:has([data-writing-block])&gt;*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-69a93a59-814c-8329-8fec-4205819ec434-0" data-testid="conversation-turn-16" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn="assistant"> <div class="text-base my-auto mx-auto pb-10 [--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-xs,calc(var(--spacing)*4))] @w-sm/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-sm,calc(var(--spacing)*6))] @w-lg/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-lg,calc(var(--spacing)*16))] px-(--thread-content-margin)"> <div class="[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] @w-lg/main:[--thread-content-max-width:48rem] mx-auto max-w-(--thread-content-max-width) flex-1 group/turn-messages focus-visible:outline-hidden relative flex w-full min-w-0 flex-col agent-turn"> <div class="flex max-w-full flex-col gap-4 grow"> <div class="min-h-8 text-message relative flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 text-start break-words whitespace-normal outline-none keyboard-focused:focus-ring [.text-message+&amp;]:mt-1" dir="auto" tabindex="0" data-message-author-role="assistant" data-message-id="81615b59-15eb-42ba-9fd3-3f1bb116d80f" data-turn-start-message="true" data-message-model-slug="gpt-5-2-thinking"> <div class="flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden"> <div class="markdown prose dark:prose-invert w-full wrap-break-word dark markdown-new-styling"> <p data-start="121" data-end="774"><a href="https://newmediashow.com"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2013" src="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/657-New-Media-Show-Episode-Justin-Jackson-300x300.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="300" srcset="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/657-New-Media-Show-Episode-Justin-Jackson-300x300.jpg 300w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/657-New-Media-Show-Episode-Justin-Jackson-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/657-New-Media-Show-Episode-Justin-Jackson-150x150.jpg 150w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/657-New-Media-Show-Episode-Justin-Jackson-768x768.jpg 768w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/657-New-Media-Show-Episode-Justin-Jackson-1320x1320.jpg 1320w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/657-New-Media-Show-Episode-Justin-Jackson.jpg 1400w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /></a><strong>If you are trying to understand where podcasting is going in 2026 and beyond, this is one of those conversations that clarifies the whole board.</strong></p> <p data-start="121" data-end="774"><strong>On Episode 657 of The New Media Show</strong>, Host <strong><a href="https://robgreenlee.com">Rob Greenlee</a> shares a microphone </strong>and a<strong> video camera with Justin Jackson, CEO and Co-Founder of <a href="https://transistor.fm">Transistor.fm</a>, </strong>to unpack two forces reshaping the medium at the same time: Apple’s push back into video podcasts using HLS streaming, and the accelerating rise of synthetic creators and human clones powered by AI.</p> <blockquote> <p data-start="121" data-end="774"><strong><em>The real takeaway in this episode is that this is no longer just a podcasting story. It’s a media transformation story, and creators who treat it that way will have the advantage.</em></strong></p> </blockquote> <p data-start="776" data-end="1565"><strong>Justin brings a rare combination to this topic because he is not just watching the ecosystem from the outside.</strong> He is building one of the most respected independent podcast hosting platforms and is deeply involved in coordinating the industry&#8217;s progress through the <a href="https://podcaststandards.org">Podcast Standards Project</a>.</p> <p data-start="776" data-end="1565"><strong>One of the most useful parts of this episode is hearing how standards actually get adopted.</strong> Podcasting has a coordination problem, and the only way the open ecosystem keeps evolving is when hosting providers, apps, and major platforms agree on what becomes “standard.” Justin explains why this work is slower than people want and why it matters, using real examples such as transcript support and creator-recommendation tooling via Podroll.</p> <p data-start="1567" data-end="2297"><strong>From there, we go straight into the big shift: Apple leaning harder into video again, this time through HLS.</strong> The practical impact for creators is obvious. Video becomes easier to distribute, monetize, and measure across platforms.</p> <blockquote> <p data-start="1567" data-end="2297"><strong><em>The strategic impact is bigger. Apple’s move creates a cascade effect. As more hosts build HLS workflows, those streams can increasingly appear not only within Apple’s experience but also through open standards like alternate enclosures, especially if apps continue to adopt them. Justin is bullish on RSS-based open podcasting surviving, not because it is nostalgic, but because consumer demand and creator distribution needs keep pulling it forward.</em></strong></p> </blockquote> <p data-start="2299" data-end="3093"><strong>A core theme in this episode is that creators and consumers decide what “a podcast” is, not the industry.</strong> Justin puts it plainly: if everyday listeners think podcasts are something they watch on YouTube, that belief drives behavior, and behavior drives platforms. This is why the <strong>listen-and-watch switching paradigm matters</strong>. Consumers want to start in audio and seamlessly jump into video. That pressure changes production habits over time, because the “audio from the video” becomes the default in many workflows. For some audio-first producers, that feels like a loss. <strong>For video-first creators</strong>, it is an opportunity to build a more fluid media experience that meets people where they are, whether they are watching closely or listening in the background.</p> <p data-start="3095" data-end="3767"><strong>Rob and Justin also dig into a topic most platforms are not talking about enough: demographics and attention.</strong> Apple Podcasts remains a valuable audience, often older, higher-income, harder-to-reach, and premium-friendly. But YouTube and short-form feeds have already shaped younger consumer habits.</p> <blockquote> <p data-start="3095" data-end="3767"><em><strong>Justin raises an interesting possibility that a backlash is forming among Gen Z against addictive, brain-rotting feeds. If that continues, there is a real opening for more mindful media experiences, which could benefit audio- and podcast-style consumption and even give Apple an unexpected positioning angle if they choose to lean into it.</strong></em></p> </blockquote> <p data-start="3769" data-end="4636"><strong>Then move into the other major shift: synthetic creators, AI cloning, and AI-generated media at scale.</strong> We talk about what is real, what is hype, and what’s already happening in the market. Justin’s perspective is grounded: audiences still choose what they care about, and a lot of AI-generated “slop” is being produced with no real demand. At the same time, I warn that this is the worst the tech will ever be, and that quality is moving fast.</p> <blockquote> <p data-start="3769" data-end="4636"><em><strong>The deeper layer is that AI is already part of the content distribution pipeline, because algorithms decide what gets surfaced and recommended.</strong> </em></p> </blockquote> <p data-start="3769" data-end="4636"><strong>As cloning and synthetic production improve, trust and identification become the bigger story.</strong> If people cannot tell what is real, standards for disclosure, verification, and labeling become essential to preserve credibility.</p> <p data-start="4638" data-end="5146"><strong>This episode ultimately lands on a simple reality: creators do not need to panic, but they do need to adapt.</strong> <strong>Video is becoming a default entry point.</strong> RSS is still resilient, but platform native APIs are expanding. AI will increase volume, forcing platforms to filter more aggressively. The winning creators will be the ones who build trust, produce content people actually want, and package it so it travels across environments without losing the core promise that made the audience show up in the first place.</p> <h3 data-section-id="vtw9gs" data-start="5148" data-end="5190">Quick answers</h3> <p data-start="5192" data-end="5508"><strong data-start="5192" data-end="5256">What does Apple HLS video mean for podcast creators in 2026?</strong><br data-start="5256" data-end="5259" />It signals a stronger platform push toward seamless listen-and-watch experiences, better measurement, and future monetization opportunities, and it pressures hosts and apps to support HLS workflows more broadly.</p> <p data-start="5510" data-end="5834"><strong data-start="5510" data-end="5574">Is RSS dying because platforms want APIs and direct uploads?</strong><br data-start="5574" data-end="5577" />RSS remains highly resilient because creators want distribution portability and consumers want access to the shows they already follow. Platforms may add more native workflows, but RSS continues to power the open layer.</p> <p data-start="5836" data-end="6157"><strong data-start="5836" data-end="5882">Will AI-generated creators replace humans?</strong><br data-start="5882" data-end="5885" />AI will dramatically increase content volume, but audience trust and relevance will still determine what survives. The big shift is that trust, verification, and disclosure become more important as synthetic media becomes harder to detect.</p> <p data-start="5836" data-end="6157"><strong>Chapters:</strong></p> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">00:00 Welcome and big shifts</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:13 Meet Justin Jackson</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">02:50 Why podcast standards matter</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">06:23 Apple HLS video ripple</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">10:34 Transistor distribution view</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">13:24 Video podcasting history</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">17:09 Why the video faded to audio</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">22:30 YouTube wins attention</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">29:33 Apple subscriptions and TV</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">35:57 Demographics and Gen Z</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">39:03 Mindful media backlash</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">43:32 Apple culture and video</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">45:44 Retro tech resistance</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">46:50 Apple Ads And Privacy</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">47:40 HLS Rollout And Ad Load</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">49:25 Will RSS Survive Platforms</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">50:25 Why RSS Keeps Winning</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">54:17 Open Standards Like Email</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">59:16 Gen Z Video Threat</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:01:01 HLS Video Via RSS</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:04:40 Audio Video Switching Pain</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:07:53 Creators Adapt To Fluid Media</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:19:09 Consumers Define Podcasts</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:24:10 AI Voices Enter Podcasting</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:25:16 Reid Hoffman Digital Twin</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:28:17 AI Video Not Live</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:28:46 Latency And Real Time Avatars</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:29:08 Julia McCoy Avatar Demo</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:32:31 Do Audiences Care</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:33:28 AI Lowers Creation Bar</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:35:41 Real Humans Still Win</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:38:20 Noise Raises The Bar</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:40:53 AI For AI Audiences</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:47:39 Deepfake Hype Check</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:50:32 Trust And Disclosure Standards</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">01:52:19 Platform Overload From Slop</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">02:00:00 Pulia Spam Example</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">02:02:57 Throttling And Verification</h5> <h5 data-start="5836" data-end="6157">02:08:27 Wrap Up And HLS Updates</h5> <h3 data-section-id="73xms5" data-start="6159" data-end="6168">Links</h3> <p data-start="6169" data-end="6339"><strong>Guest Justin Jackson Links</strong></p> <p data-start="6169" data-end="6339">Transistor.fm: <a class="decorated-link" href="https://transistor.fm/" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="6273" data-end="6295">https://transistor.fm/</a><br data-start="6295" data-end="6298" />Justin Jackson: <a class="decorated-link" href="https://justinjackson.ca/" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="6314" data-end="6339">https://justinjackson.ca/</a></p> <p data-start="6169" data-end="6339"><strong>Host Rob Greenlee and Show Links</strong><br data-start="2697" data-end="2700" />New Media Show: <a class="decorated-link" href="https://newmediashow.com/" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2716" data-end="2741">https://newmediashow.com/</a><br data-start="2741" data-end="2744" />Rob Greenlee: <a class="decorated-link" href="https://robgreenlee.com/" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2758" data-end="2782">https://robgreenlee.com/</a><br data-start="2782" data-end="2785" />Trust Factor Lab: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2803" data-end="2830">https://trustfactorlab.com/</a><br data-start="2830" data-end="2833" />Adore Creator Network: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2856" data-end="2881">https://adorenetwork.com/</a><br data-start="2881" data-end="2884" />Podcast Hall of Fame: <a class="decorated-link" href="https://podcasthall.com/" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2906" data-end="2930" data-is-only-node="">https://podcasthall.com/</a><br data-start="2930" data-end="2933" />Rob Greenlee YouTube: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2955" data-end="2987">https://youtube.com/@robgreenlee</a><br data-start="2987" data-end="2990" />Rob Greenlee LinkedIn: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="3013" data-end="3048">https://linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee</a><br data-start="3048" data-end="3051" />Rob Greenlee Instagram: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="3075" data-end="3109">https://instagram.com/robwgreenlee</a></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </section> </div> </div><p>The post <a href="https://newmediashow.com/apple-video-podcasts-rss-vs-api-rise-of-synthetic-creators-justin-jackson-657/">Apple Video Podcasts, RSS vs API, Rise of Synthetic Creators | Justin Jackson #657</a> first appeared on <a href="https://newmediashow.com">New Media Show</a>.</p>
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Can Apple Make Video Podcasts Matter? | Jay Nachlis #656
MAR 25, 2026
Can Apple Make Video Podcasts Matter? | Jay Nachlis #656
<div class="relative basis-auto flex-col -mb-(--composer-overlap-px) pb-(--composer-overlap-px) [--composer-overlap-px:28px] grow flex"> <div class="flex flex-col text-sm pb-25"> <section class="text-token-text-primary w-full focus:outline-none [--shadow-height:45px] has-data-writing-block:pointer-events-none has-data-writing-block:-mt-(--shadow-height) has-data-writing-block:pt-(--shadow-height) [&amp;:has([data-writing-block])&gt;*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="request-WEB:68779b9e-8da1-4c18-869a-20e418aa5a78-2" data-testid="conversation-turn-6" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn="assistant"> <div class="text-base my-auto mx-auto pb-10 [--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-xs,calc(var(--spacing)*4))] @w-sm/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-sm,calc(var(--spacing)*6))] @w-lg/main:[--thread-content-margin:var(--thread-content-margin-lg,calc(var(--spacing)*16))] px-(--thread-content-margin)"> <div class="[--thread-content-max-width:40rem] @w-lg/main:[--thread-content-max-width:48rem] mx-auto max-w-(--thread-content-max-width) flex-1 group/turn-messages focus-visible:outline-hidden relative flex w-full min-w-0 flex-col agent-turn"> <div class="flex max-w-full flex-col gap-4 grow"> <div class="min-h-8 text-message relative flex w-full flex-col items-end gap-2 text-start break-words whitespace-normal outline-none keyboard-focused:focus-ring [.text-message+&amp;]:mt-1" dir="auto" tabindex="0" data-message-author-role="assistant" data-message-id="50713da8-663f-4e2a-b0a0-b31db987df53" data-message-model-slug="gpt-5-4-thinking" data-turn-start-message="true"> <div class="flex w-full flex-col gap-1 empty:hidden"> <div class="markdown prose dark:prose-invert w-full wrap-break-word dark markdown-new-styling"> <p data-start="89" data-end="396"><img decoding="async" class="alignleft wp-image-1995 size-medium" src="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/656-New-Media-Show-Episode-Jay-Nachlis-300x300.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="300" srcset="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/656-New-Media-Show-Episode-Jay-Nachlis-300x300.jpg 300w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/656-New-Media-Show-Episode-Jay-Nachlis-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/656-New-Media-Show-Episode-Jay-Nachlis-150x150.jpg 150w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/656-New-Media-Show-Episode-Jay-Nachlis-768x768.jpg 768w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/656-New-Media-Show-Episode-Jay-Nachlis-1320x1320.jpg 1320w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/656-New-Media-Show-Episode-Jay-Nachlis.jpg 1400w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" />In <strong>episode 656</strong> of the <strong><em data-start="107" data-end="127">New Media Show</em>, Podcast Hall of Famer <a href="https://robgreenlee.com">Rob Greenlee </a></strong>is joined by<strong> Jay Nachlis,  Media Research VP at <a href="https://colemaninsights.com/">Coleman Insights</a>. </strong></p> <p data-start="89" data-end="396"><strong><em>&#8220;It&#8217;s a timely and deeper conversation about Apple Podcasts moving more aggressively into HLS video streaming and what that really means for the future of podcasting, audience behavior, platform competition, and creator strategy in 2026.&#8221;</em></strong></p> <p data-start="398" data-end="801"><strong>This episode goes far beyond the Apple announcement itself.</strong> Jay brings a strong audience research and brand strategy perspective to the conversation, and together we dig into the real question behind all of this: will Apple’s push into video actually change listener and viewer behavior, or is this simply Apple trying to catch up to audience habits that are already being shaped by YouTube and Spotify?</p> <blockquote> <p data-start="803" data-end="1335"><strong><em>&#8220;Apple Podcasts still has major brand recognition in podcasting, but may face an uphill battle in the current environment where YouTube has become the default platform for video-based podcast discovery, and Spotify continues to build a more native monetization and creator ecosystem.&#8221;</em></strong></p> </blockquote> <p data-start="803" data-end="1335"><strong>We talk about how audience habits often outweigh platform features</strong>, why consumer perception matters as much as technical innovation, and whether Apple can reclaim any meaningful momentum in a category it helped establish years ago.</p> <p data-start="1337" data-end="1875"><strong>We also discuss how this shift is creating a more fragmented publishing environment for creators.</strong> Audio and video are no longer just different formats. They increasingly represent different user expectations, different discovery paths, and different monetization opportunities.</p> <blockquote> <p data-start="1337" data-end="1875"><em><strong>&#8220;We discuss the growing need for creators to think strategically about separate audio and video feeds, platform-native publishing, HLS streaming delivery, audience experience, and the long-term risks of overreliance on closed ecosystems.&#8221;</strong></em></p> </blockquote> <p data-start="1877" data-end="2271"><strong>Jay and I also explore the broader competitive chessboard.</strong> That includes YouTube’s dominance in video &amp; video podcast consumption, Spotify’s continued attempts to define its role in both audio and video, and even whether players like Netflix could successfully move into podcast-adjacent content formats. <strong>This episode is really about where podcasting is headed as a medium, not just one Apple feature update.</strong></p> <p data-start="2273" data-end="2491">If you are a podcaster, creator, media strategist, advertiser, or platform watcher trying to understand where podcasting, video, discovery, and monetization are all heading next, this is an episode you should not miss.</p> <p data-start="2273" data-end="2491"><strong>Chapters:</strong></p> <p data-start="2273" data-end="2491">00:00 Apple Video Podcast Push<br /> 00:47 Meet the Hosts<br /> 01:56 Apple Streaming Update<br /> 03:14 Early Podcasting Era<br /> 05:19 YouTube Spotify Takeover<br /> 07:05 Can Apple Compete<br /> 08:25 Research YouTube Wins UX<br /> 10:30 Awareness Drives Usage<br /> 12:07 Netflix Podcasting Fit<br /> 15:58 Discovery Algorithms Habits<br /> 18:10 Apple Video Hidden Toggle<br /> 19:26 Audio Quality vs Video<br /> 22:22 Brand Content Trust Matrix<br /> 24:05 Apple Podcasts Brand Gap<br /> 24:51 Differentiation Over Video<br /> 25:41 RSS and HLS Debate<br /> 27:09 Why Listeners Choose Apple<br /> 28:03 Zune Era Video Podcasts<br /> 30:07 YouTube Parallel History<br /> 30:59 Winning Tech Standards<br /> 33:16 Reaching Younger Audiences<br /> 36:48 Hosting Costs and HLS<br /> 39:05 Creator Burden of Video<br /> 41:20 Future Screens in Cars<br /> 43:23 Marketing and Discovery Fixes<br /> 45:35 Alternative Enclosures Path<br /> 46:49 Wrap Up and Where to Follow</p> <p data-start="2493" data-end="2676"><strong>Guest Jay Nachlis Links</strong><br data-start="2504" data-end="2507" />Jay Nachlis LinkedIn: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2529" data-end="2568">https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynachlis/</a><br data-start="2568" data-end="2571" />Coleman Insights: <a class="decorated-link" href="https://colemaninsights.com/" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2589" data-end="2617">https://colemaninsights.com/</a><br data-start="2617" data-end="2620" />Tuesdays with Coleman: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2643" data-end="2676">https://colemaninsights.com/blog/</a></p> <p data-start="2678" data-end="3109"><strong>Host Rob Greenlee and Show Links</strong><br data-start="2697" data-end="2700" />New Media Show: <a class="decorated-link" href="https://newmediashow.com/" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2716" data-end="2741">https://newmediashow.com/</a><br data-start="2741" data-end="2744" />Rob Greenlee: <a class="decorated-link" href="https://robgreenlee.com/" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2758" data-end="2782">https://robgreenlee.com/</a><br data-start="2782" data-end="2785" />Trust Factor Lab: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2803" data-end="2830">https://trustfactorlab.com/</a><br data-start="2830" data-end="2833" />Adore Creator Network: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2856" data-end="2881">https://adorenetwork.com/</a><br data-start="2881" data-end="2884" />Podcast Hall of Fame: <a class="decorated-link" href="https://podcasthall.com/" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2906" data-end="2930" data-is-only-node="">https://podcasthall.com/</a><br data-start="2930" data-end="2933" />Rob Greenlee YouTube: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="2955" data-end="2987">https://youtube.com/@robgreenlee</a><br data-start="2987" data-end="2990" />Rob Greenlee LinkedIn: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="3013" data-end="3048">https://linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee</a><br data-start="3048" data-end="3051" />Rob Greenlee Instagram: <a class="decorated-link cursor-pointer" target="_new" rel="noopener" data-start="3075" data-end="3109">https://instagram.com/robwgreenlee</a></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </section> </div> </div><p>The post <a href="https://newmediashow.com/can-apple-make-video-podcasts-matter-jay-nachlis-656/">Can Apple Make Video Podcasts Matter? | Jay Nachlis #656</a> first appeared on <a href="https://newmediashow.com">New Media Show</a>.</p>
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Podcast Growth and Discovery in 2026 | Arielle Nissenblatt #655
MAR 18, 2026
Podcast Growth and Discovery in 2026 | Arielle Nissenblatt #655
<p><strong><img decoding="async" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1981" src="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/655-New-Media-Show-EPISODE-Arielle-300x300.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="300" srcset="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/655-New-Media-Show-EPISODE-Arielle-300x300.jpg 300w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/655-New-Media-Show-EPISODE-Arielle-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/655-New-Media-Show-EPISODE-Arielle-150x150.jpg 150w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/655-New-Media-Show-EPISODE-Arielle-768x768.jpg 768w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/655-New-Media-Show-EPISODE-Arielle-1320x1320.jpg 1320w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/655-New-Media-Show-EPISODE-Arielle.jpg 1400w" sizes="(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" />Podcast discovery feels harder in 2026, not because creators stopped trying, but because attention is now split across podcast apps, YouTube, short-form video feeds, newsletters, and search-driven recommendations.</strong></p> <p>On this recorded episode of the <strong>New Media Show, host Rob Greenlee</strong> shares the screen and a microphone with <strong>Arielle Nissenblatt, 2026 Podcast Hall of Famer </strong>and<strong> Founder of <a href="https://earbuds.audio/">EarBuds Podcast Collective </a></strong>and<strong> Head of Community and Content at Pinwheel by Audily,</strong> to break down what is actually changing right now and what creators can still do that consistently grows audience and trust.</p> <blockquote><p><em><strong>&#8220;Arielle brings a listener-first, creator-first perspective that cuts through the noise. Platforms matter, but they are not the whole story. If a show is not clearly positioned, consistently delivered, and genuinely recommendable, the best metadata in the world will not create retention.&#8221;</strong></em></p></blockquote> <p><strong>This episode focuses on the practical middle ground: respect the power of platforms, but build your growth strategy around behaviors you can control.</strong></p> <blockquote><p><em><strong>&#8220;A big part of that conversation is Apple’s renewed push into video podcasts and what an HLS-based video experience signals for the direction of distribution.&#8221;</strong></em></p></blockquote> <p><strong>Rob frames it as part of a broader convergence toward a unified listen-and-watch experience, where measurement and monetization are easier for platforms when content is native.</strong></p> <blockquote><p><em><strong>&#8220;Arielle agrees that video is becoming an important top-of-funnel entry point, not because every show should be video-first, but because platforms can more easily optimize what they can see, track, and sell.&#8221;</strong></em></p></blockquote> <p><strong>We also talk through Spotify’s monetization strategy and what it means when major platforms keep building native paths to get paid.</strong> The underlying point is that creators need to understand the economics behind product decisions.</p> <blockquote><p><strong><em>&#8220;The more platforms own the experience, the more they can shape the rules of distribution, monetization, and visibility.&#8221;</em></strong></p></blockquote> <p><strong>Then we get into the part that matters most for working creators:</strong> what still works.</p> <blockquote><p><strong><em>&#8220;Arielle argues that recommendation culture remains one of the most underused growth engines in podcasting. Word of mouth, curated lists, and community flywheels can outperform algorithm chasing, especially for shows that serve a clear audience with a clear promise.&#8221;</em></strong></p></blockquote> <p><strong>That is exactly why EarBuds has remained durable for years in a market</strong> that constantly reinvents itself.</p> <blockquote><p><strong><em>&#8220;Human curation is still a superpower because it creates trusted signals that travel even when platforms turn the knobs.&#8221;</em></strong></p></blockquote> <p><strong>Community comes up too, with a reality check.</strong> <strong>Not every show needs a community, and not every audience wants one.</strong></p> <blockquote><p><em><strong>&#8220;The test is whether people are already reaching for a deeper connection and shared identity around your content. When that demand exists, the community can compound trust and retention. When it does not, forcing it can drain your energy and distract you from the actual product, the show.&#8221;</strong></em></p></blockquote> <p><strong>If you are building in 2026, the creators who win are not the ones who panic-switch formats every quarter.</strong></p> <p>They are the <strong>ones who lock in a format strategy, build audience ownership where possible, and package their content for multiple environments without losing the core promise that makes listeners return.</strong></p> <p><strong>Quick answers people are searching for:</strong></p> <p><strong>Is podcast discovery broken in 2026?</strong><br /> It is fragmented. People discover shows across apps, video platforms, newsletters, and search experiences, so creators need packaging that works across multiple paths.</p> <p><strong>Do I need a video to grow a podcast?</strong><br /> Not always. Video is becoming a common entry point, but growth still comes from clarity, consistency, and ease of recommendation.</p> <p><strong>What is the fastest reliable growth lever right now?</strong><br /> Recommendation loops: collaborations, curated lists, newsletters, and audience sharing that create real trust signals.</p> <p><strong>What should creators prioritize this year?</strong><br /> Format strategy, audience ownership, cross-platform packaging, and a repeatable workflow you can sustain.</p> <p><strong>Show and Guest Links:</strong></p> <p><strong>Host Rob Greenlee</strong><br /> <a href="https://robgreenlee.com/">https://robgreenlee.com/</a> (<a title="Rob Greenlee | Podcast Hall of Famer and 25 year New ..." href="https://robgreenlee.com/">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>New Media Show</strong><br /> <a href="https://newmediashow.com/">https://newmediashow.com/</a> (<a title="Rob Greenlee" href="https://newmediashow.com/author/rob/">New Media Show</a>)<br /> <strong>Rob Greenlee Live Podcasts</strong><br /> <a href="https://robgreenlee.com/live-podcasts/">https://robgreenlee.com/live-podcasts/</a> (<a title="Rob Greenlee Podcasts" href="https://robgreenlee.com/live-podcasts/">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>Rob Greenlee &amp; New Media Show YouTube</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@RobGreenlee">https://www.youtube.com/@RobGreenlee</a> (<a title="Rob Greenlee YouTube" href="https://www.youtube.com/@RobGreenlee">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>Spoken Human Show &#8211; YouTube</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@spokenhuman">https://www.youtube.com/@spokenhuman</a> (<a title="Spoken Human Show - YouTube" href="https://www.youtube.com/@spokenhuman">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>LinkedIn &#8211; Rob Greenlee</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee">https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee</a> (<a title="LinkedIn - Rob Greenlee" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>Instagram &#8211; Rob Greenlee</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/robwgreenlee">https://www.instagram.com/robwgreenlee</a> (<a title="Instagram - Rob Greenlee" href="https://www.instagram.com/robwgreenlee">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>X.com &#8211; Rob Greenlee</strong><br /> <a href="https://x.com/robgreenlee">https://x.com/robgreenlee</a> (<a title="Rob Greenlee X.com" href="https://x.com/robgreenlee">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>Adore Podcast Network</strong><br /> <a href="https://AdoreNetwork.com">https://AdoreNetwork.com</a> (<a title="Adore Podcast Network" href="https://AdoreNetwork.com">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>Podcast Hall of Fame</strong><br /> <a href="https://PodcastHall.com">https://PodcastHall.com</a> (<a title="Podcast Hall of Fame" href="https://PodcastHall.com">Rob Greenlee</a>)</p> <p><strong>Guest Arielle Nissenblatt </strong><br /> <strong>LinkedIn: </strong><br /> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/arielle-nissenblatt">https://www.linkedin.com/in/arielle-nissenblatt</a><br /> <strong>EarBuds Podcast Collective: </strong><br /> <a href="https://earbuds.audio/">https://earbuds.audio/</a><br /> <strong>Pinwheel by Audily: </strong><br /> <a href="https://pinwheelshows.com/">https://pinwheelshows.com/</a></p><p>The post <a href="https://newmediashow.com/podcast-growth-and-discovery-in-2026-arielle-nissenblatt-655/">Podcast Growth and Discovery in 2026 | Arielle Nissenblatt #655</a> first appeared on <a href="https://newmediashow.com">New Media Show</a>.</p>
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Building a Very Human Media Business | Erin Diehl #654
MAR 12, 2026
Building a Very Human Media Business | Erin Diehl #654
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1964" src="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/654-New-Media-Show-Episode-Erin-300x300.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="300" srcset="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/654-New-Media-Show-Episode-Erin-300x300.jpg 300w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/654-New-Media-Show-Episode-Erin-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/654-New-Media-Show-Episode-Erin-150x150.jpg 150w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/654-New-Media-Show-Episode-Erin-768x768.jpg 768w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/654-New-Media-Show-Episode-Erin-1320x1320.jpg 1320w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/654-New-Media-Show-Episode-Erin.jpg 1400w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><strong>As AI becomes more embedded into content creation, discovery, and distribution</strong>, <strong>one truth is becoming clearer</strong>: the <strong>long-term</strong> <strong>winners in media may not be the fastest or the most automated.</strong> They <strong>may be the <em>most</em> human.</strong></p> <p>That was the core idea behind this conversation with <strong>Erin Diehl of Improve It! and the host of the Workday Playdate Podcast, and New Media Show host and Podcast Hall of Fame Inductee Rob Greenlee on New Media Show Episode 654</strong>, where we explored what it really means to build a media business rooted in trust, emotional connection, authenticity, and memorable audience experiences.</p> <p>Erin Diehl, founder of improve it! and host of the Workday Playdate podcast, brings a distinctive perspective to this discussion.</p> <blockquote><p><strong><em>Her work sits at the intersection of improv, leadership, communication, and community-building. On her podcast and in her live workshops, she focuses on helping people reconnect with empathy, listening, adaptability, humor, and playfulness as practical tools for stronger communication and leadership. Erin describes those same qualities as the traits of both a great improviser and a great human, and that framing shaped this entire conversation.</em> </strong>(<a title="Erin Diehl | High-Energy Improv Comedy Keynote Speaker" href="https://www.itserindiehl.com/meet-erin?utm_source=chatgpt.com">itserindiehl.com</a>)</p></blockquote> <p><strong>What made this episode especially timely is that it did not treat AI as the enemy.</strong> Instead, it argued that AI is becoming part of the infrastructure of modern media, especially in discovery, distribution, workflow, and scale, while human presence remains the true differentiator. I said during the episode that creators are still in the human media business, and Erin agreed that what continues to work is the authenticity of human experience.</p> <p>That idea matters because audiences are increasingly surrounded by an abundance of content. When everything becomes easier to generate, the value of presence, perspective, vulnerability, and emotional resonance goes up.</p> <blockquote><p><strong><em>Erin argued that humanity is not becoming less important in the AI era. It is becoming more important. She pointed to empathy, trust, culture, and connection as qualities that are not going away, even as new technologies reshape jobs, workflows, and media formats.</em></strong></p></blockquote> <p><strong>A major theme in this conversation was the role of play in serious work.</strong> Erin’s approach is not about being frivolous. It is about using play, improv, and emotional openness to create real breakthroughs in communication. In her workshops, she guides people step by step out of their comfort zones, not to embarrass them but to help them reconnect with spontaneity, attentiveness, and confidence. She explained that many adults lose that natural instinct for play as they grow older, replacing it with judgment, self-doubt, and emotional caution. Her work is designed to reverse some of that pattern and reawaken more authentic human interaction.</p> <p><strong>We also talked about how this translates directly into content creation.</strong> Erin shared that her podcast has become more than just a show. It is part of a broader ecosystem that supports her workshops, speaking, community, and business growth. She uses monthly themes to shape her episodes, guest selection, social content, and offers. That strategy helps create consistency, clarity, and a stronger trust pathway between audience attention and business outcomes. It is a smart reminder that a podcast today often works best when it is part of a larger media and relationship-building system.</p> <p><strong>Another valuable part of this episode was Erin’s openness about team building.</strong> She made it clear that creating across podcasting, social media, video, live events, and community is difficult to sustain on one&#8217;s own. She credited her team with helping manage production, guest coordination, marketing, logistics, sales, and creative execution. That is an important lesson for professional creators and media entrepreneurs. Building a durable media business often means building systems and support around your voice, not trying to do every part of the machine alone.</p> <blockquote><p><em><strong>We also dug into mindset, self-expression, and the emotional reality of being a creator today. Erin spoke candidly about doubt, comparison, and the danger of code-switching or muting your true personality to fit an environment. Her advice was direct: find the people, audiences, and teams that allow you to be more fully yourself. In a media environment increasingly shaped by algorithmic incentives and imitation, that may be one of the most important strategic advantages a creator can have.</strong></em></p></blockquote> <p><strong>This episode is really about a bigger question facing everyone in podcasting, video, and digital media right now:</strong> if AI can help produce and distribute content at scale, what still makes a creator matter? The answer from this conversation is not just better tools or smarter systems. It is humanity. It is the ability to make people feel seen, understood, energized, and connected. That is what creates trust. That is what builds community. And that is what makes a media business more durable over time.</p> <h2>Brief Episode Description</h2> <p>In New Media Show Episode 654, Rob Greenlee talks with Erin Diehl, founder of improve it! and host of Workday Playdate, about what it takes to build a truly human media business in an AI-driven era.</p> <p>They explore why trust, empathy, emotional intelligence, playfulness, authenticity, and community may become even more valuable as AI expands across media creation and distribution.</p> <p>The conversation also looks at how improv principles can strengthen podcasting, leadership, content strategy, live events, and audience connection. Erin shares how she built her business and shows around human transformation, while Rob frames why creators still need to think of themselves as being in the human media business first.</p> <h2>Key Takeaways</h2> <p><strong>&#8211; Creators are still in the human media business</strong>, even as AI becomes more useful for discovery, workflow, and distribution.</p> <p><strong>&#8211; Authenticity, empathy, trust, and emotional connection are becoming more valuable</strong> as content volume increases.</p> <p><strong>&#8211; Improv skills like listening, adaptability, humor, and presence map directly to stronger media creation and leadership.</strong></p> <p><strong>&#8211; A podcast works best when it is part of a broader ecosystem that includes community, services, events, and business strategy.</strong></p> <p><strong>&#8211; Monthly content themes can help creators build a more focused and sustainable content engine across multiple platforms.</strong></p> <p><strong>&#8211; In-person human experiences still have unique power</strong> in an increasingly digital media world.</p> <p><strong>&#8211; A strong team can be essential for creators trying to build across audio, video, social, and live experiences.</strong></p> <p><strong>&#8211; The future of media may depend less on sounding polished and more on being unmistakably human.</strong></p> <h2>Relevant Links</h2> <p><strong>Host Rob Greenlee</strong><br /> <a href="https://robgreenlee.com/">https://robgreenlee.com/</a> (<a title="Rob Greenlee | Podcast Hall of Famer and 25 year New ..." href="https://robgreenlee.com/">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>New Media Show</strong><br /> <a href="https://newmediashow.com/">https://newmediashow.com/</a> (<a title="Rob Greenlee" href="https://newmediashow.com/author/rob/">New Media Show</a>)<br /> <strong>Rob Greenlee Live Podcasts</strong><br /> <a href="https://robgreenlee.com/live-podcasts/">https://robgreenlee.com/live-podcasts/</a> (<a title="Rob Greenlee Podcasts" href="https://robgreenlee.com/live-podcasts/">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>Rob Greenlee &amp; New Media Show YouTube</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@RobGreenlee">https://www.youtube.com/@RobGreenlee</a> (<a title="Rob Greenlee YouTube" href="https://www.youtube.com/@RobGreenlee">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>Spoken Human Show &#8211; YouTube</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@spokenhuman">https://www.youtube.com/@spokenhuman</a> (<a title="Spoken Human Show - YouTube" href="https://www.youtube.com/@spokenhuman">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>LinkedIn &#8211; Rob Greenlee</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee">https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee</a> (<a title="LinkedIn - Rob Greenlee" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>Instagram &#8211; Rob Greenlee</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/robwgreenlee">https://www.instagram.com/robwgreenlee</a> (<a title="Instagram - Rob Greenlee" href="https://www.instagram.com/robwgreenlee">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>X.com &#8211; Rob Greenlee</strong><br /> <a href="https://x.com/robgreenlee">https://x.com/robgreenlee</a> (<a title="Rob Greenlee X.com" href="https://x.com/robgreenlee">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>Adore Podcast Network</strong><br /> <a href="https://AdoreNetwork.com">https://AdoreNetwork.com</a> (<a title="Adore Podcast Network" href="https://AdoreNetwork.com">Rob Greenlee</a>)<br /> <strong>Podcast Hall of Fame</strong><br /> <a href="https://PodcastHall.com">https://PodcastHall.com</a> (<a title="Podcast Hall of Fame" href="https://PodcastHall.com">Rob Greenlee</a>)</p> <p><strong>Guest Erin Diehl</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.itserindiehl.com/meet-erin">https://www.itserindiehl.com/meet-erin</a> (<a title="Erin Diehl | High-Energy Improv Comedy Keynote Speaker" href="https://www.itserindiehl.com/meet-erin">itserindiehl.com</a>)<br /> <strong>improve it!</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.learntoimproveit.com/">https://www.learntoimproveit.com/</a> (<a title="Professional Development, Leadership, and Team Building ..." href="https://www.learntoimproveit.com/podcast-page">learntoimproveit.com</a>)<br /> <strong>Workday Playdate Podcast</strong><br /> <a href="https://www.learntoimproveit.com/podcast-page">https://www.learntoimproveit.com/podcast-page</a> (<a title="Professional Development, Leadership, and Team Building ..." href="https://www.learntoimproveit.com/podcast-page">learntoimproveit.com</a>)<br /> <strong>Workday Playdate on Apple Podcasts</strong><br /> <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/workday-playdate/id1508450538">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/workday-playdate/id1508450538</a> (<a title="Workday Playdate - Podcast" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/workday-playdate/id1508450538">Apple Podcasts</a>)</p><p>The post <a href="https://newmediashow.com/building-a-very-human-media-business-erin-diehl-654/">Building a Very Human Media Business | Erin Diehl #654</a> first appeared on <a href="https://newmediashow.com">New Media Show</a>.</p>
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Can Fiction Story Podcasts Survive Video Push | Lauren Shippen #652
MAR 1, 2026
Can Fiction Story Podcasts Survive Video Push | Lauren Shippen #652
<figure id="attachment_1934" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-1934" style="width: 300px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="size-medium wp-image-1934" src="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/652-New-Media-Show-Episode-Lauren-Shippen-300x300.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="300" srcset="https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/652-New-Media-Show-Episode-Lauren-Shippen-300x300.jpg 300w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/652-New-Media-Show-Episode-Lauren-Shippen-1024x1024.jpg 1024w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/652-New-Media-Show-Episode-Lauren-Shippen-150x150.jpg 150w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/652-New-Media-Show-Episode-Lauren-Shippen-768x768.jpg 768w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/652-New-Media-Show-Episode-Lauren-Shippen-1320x1320.jpg 1320w, https://newmediashow.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/652-New-Media-Show-Episode-Lauren-Shippen.jpg 1400w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px" /><figcaption id="caption-attachment-1934" class="wp-caption-text">New Media Show #652 with Rob Greenlee and Lauren Shippen</figcaption></figure> <p>On Episode 652 of the <strong>New Media Show</strong>, <strong>host Rob Greenlee</strong> shares a screen with <strong>Lauren Shippen, Creative Director at Atypical Artists</strong>, to <strong>tackle a <em>growing tension in creator media around audio fiction</em></strong>, which is thriving as a storytelling format but <strong>is being pressure-tested by the industry’s video-first discovery push</strong>.</p> <p>Fiction podcasts did not stop working. What changed is how platforms signal value, how audiences discover new shows, and how creators feel forced to look video-ready to compete.</p> <blockquote><p><em><strong>The real question for fiction creators in 2026 is not “How do I force my story into video?” It is “How do I protect the magic of audio storytelling while adding the right discovery layers for today’s platforms?”</strong></em></p></blockquote> <p>Lauren shares what fiction creators often misunderstand about sustainability, what typically breaks first when the story stalls, and where video helps, hurts, or becomes unrealistic.</p> <p>Rob lays out a practical framework for separating audio as the product from video as the discovery layer, plus realistic tiers of visual strategy that will not turn your show into a second production company.</p> <p><strong>Quick answers for creators</strong></p> <p><strong>What is the episode about</strong><br /> A practical conversation about protecting audio fiction storytelling while adapting to video-driven discovery across platforms in 2026.</p> <p><strong>Should fiction podcasts become video podcasts to grow</strong><br /> Not automatically. The strategy is to keep audio as the core product and use video selectively as a discovery layer when it improves reach without breaking the production model.</p> <p><strong>What is the biggest mistake fiction creators make</strong><br /> Trying to solve growth with promotion before fixing story retention fundamentals like onboarding, pacing, cadence, and season design.</p> <p><strong>How should fiction shows think about video?</strong><br /> As budget tiers. Start with lightweight discovery assets and only move toward full narrative adaptation if the economics and workflow support it.</p> <p><strong>Topics we cover</strong></p> <p>&#8211; Why fiction creators feel pulled between story-first goals and video-first platform expectations<br /> &#8211; The top growth inputs fiction creators still control, even when platforms shift<br /> &#8211; Story architecture that drives retention before promotion pacing, onboarding, cadence, and season design<br /> &#8211; Video pressure: what is real, what is hype, and what creators should ignore<br /> &#8211; Audio only vs video for fiction when format helps and when it hurts<br /> &#8211; Budget tiers for video lightweight discovery assets vs full narrative adaptation<br /> &#8211; Trailers as conversion assets and how to build a simple start here listener path<br /> &#8211; Why human recommendations still beat algorithm chasing for story shows<br /> Community reality checks what to prove before building Discord or fan spaces<br /> &#8211; Where AI helps scripted storytelling workflows, and where it can damage authorship and trust<br /> &#8211; A practical 30-day growth plan for fiction podcasters</p> <p>Chapters:</p> <p>00:00 Story Versus Screen<br /> 01:41 Meet Lauren Shippen<br /> 03:22 What Counts As Podcast<br /> 06:00 Video As Discovery<br /> 08:18 Netflix Podcast Strategy<br /> 15:30 Monetization And Paywalls<br /> 19:48 Apple Video Feed Tension<br /> 22:36 Always On Audio Fiction<br /> 27:47 Audience Growth Beyond Podcasts<br /> 32:50 AI Slop Versus Art<br /> 40:21 Sports Analogy For AI<br /> 42:38 Why AI Lacks Heart<br /> 43:31 Gaming and Interactive Futures<br /> 45:03 If Everyone Can Generate It<br /> 47:10 The Internet Shapes AI Adoption<br /> 48:45 Podcasting as Human Story<br /> 51:14 Blurring Fiction and Truth<br /> 54:01 Atypical Artist Slate Tour<br /> 57:17 Making Shows Work Economically<br /> 01:03:54 Producing and Adapting Workflow<br /> 01:06:04 Origin Story Bright Sessions<br /> 01:10:21 New Projects and Immersive Marketing<br /> 01:14:14 Serial Model and Journalism Worries<br /> 01:15:38 Fiction Podcast Evolution<br /> 01:17:22 Wrap Up and Next Episode Tease</p> <p><strong>Featured projects mentioned</strong></p> <p>The Bright Sessions<br /> Rebel Robin<br /> 2000 and Late<br /> Breaker Whiskey</p> <p><strong>Resource Links:</strong></p> <p><strong>Host: Rob Greenlee</strong> [<a href="https://robgreenlee.com">https://robgreenlee.com</a>]<br /> The New Media Show [<a href="https://newmediashow.com/">https://newmediashow.com/</a>]<br /> Adore Network [<a href="https://AdoreNetwork.com">https://AdoreNetwork.com</a>]<br /> Podcast Hall of Fame [<a href="https://PodcastHall.com">https://PodcastHall.com</a>]<br /> Rob on YouTube [<a href="https://YouTube.com/@RobGreenlee">https://YouTube.com/@RobGreenlee</a>]<br /> Rob on LinkedIn [<a href="https://LinkedIn.com/in/robgreenlee">https://LinkedIn.com/in/robgreenlee</a>]</p> <p><strong>Guest: Lauren Shippen</strong> [<a href="https://www.laurenshippen.com/">https://www.laurenshippen.com/</a>]<br /> Atypical Artists [<a href="https://www.atypicalartists.co/">https://www.atypicalartists.co/</a>]</p> <p>Book Rob Calendly [<a href="https://calendly.com/robgreenlee">https://calendly.com/robgreenlee</a>]</p><p>The post <a href="https://newmediashow.com/can-fiction-story-podcasts-survive-video-push-lauren-shippen-652/">Can Fiction Story Podcasts Survive Video Push | Lauren Shippen #652</a> first appeared on <a href="https://newmediashow.com">New Media Show</a>.</p>
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