Faced with more and more unfamiliar hazards, planners and governments want to know whether their preparations are sufficient. Citizens are increasingly asking the same questions. We hear from Dr Hitomi Nakanishi (University of Canberra) and Dr Sarah Wise (UCL CASA) on how new kinds of simulation can be used to help people understand evacuation, and how different approaches to crisis management might produce different outcomes. We also hear from Rangga Wargadalam, a PhD student at the University of Canberra who also works for Indonesia's National Development Planning Ministry, on the future use of simulations as an analysis tool by government agencies, and how it can be used to help develop more data-driven planning policies. ___ GUESTS: Dr Hitomi Nakanishi: https://researchprofiles.canberra.edu.au/en/persons/hitomi-nakanishi https://twitter.com/hitominakanishi (twitter) Dr Sarah Wise: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/casa/dr-sarah-wise twitter.com/ComplexityWise (twitter) Rangga Wargadalam: (National Planning Ministry, Indonesia & PhD Student, University of Canberra) ___ GLOBAL LAB TEAM: Presenter & Interviewer: Dr Thomas Oléron-Evans https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/casa/people/dr-thomas-oleron-evans twitter.com/Mathistopheles (twitter) www.mathistopheles.co.uk (personal website) Presenter & Editor: Dr Leah Lovett https://www.ucl.ac.uk/bartlett/casa/people/leah-lovett twitter.com/leahlovett (twitter) http://www.leahlovett.co.uk (personal website)