Retired law enforcement officers Dave Rich and Marianne Robb join host Martin Willis for a wide-ranging conversation on why first responders can be uniquely strong UAP/UFO witnesses—and why the professional fallout after reporting can be just as traumatic as the encounter itself. They break down how academy/scenario-based training shapes observation under stress, then pivot into major police-involved cases including the multi-agency <a href="https://podcastufo.com/lee-speigels-dorito-ufo-in-lumberton-nc/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">“Lumberton” triangle flap</a> (four nights of sightings across multiple counties), <a href="https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/retired-rcmp-officer-remembers-clarenville-ufo-experience-123879" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">RCMP officer Jim Blackwood</a> (flashlight interaction), <a href="https://podcastufo.com/a-ufo-landing-in-socorro/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Lonnie Zamora (Socorro)</a>, and <a href="https://podcastufo.com/the-case-of-val-johnson/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Val Johnson</a> (1979)—including the physical damage to his patrol car and the long-term consequences for witnesses who speak publicly. The discussion also highlights the mission of UAPD (UAP-PD): providing a confidential, “safe zone” for active and retired first responders to share UAP/paranormal/cryptid experiences without fear of ridicule or career impact. Dave recounts the 2017 incident that led to UAPD’s formation—an unexplained 911 call from an empty school, follow-up investigation steps (video, phone/line checks, audio analysis), and the pressure he faced afterward to stay silent. If you’re a first responder with an experience you’ve kept to yourself, you are not alone—and support exists.<br /><a href="https://podcastufo.com/show-720-notes-dave-rich-marianne-robb/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">SHOW NOTES</a>