<p>In this episode Catie Lazarus talks to Obama’s former Deputy Chief of Staff  of Operations Alyssa Mastromonaco and comedy writer Peter Grosz.</p><p><br></p><p>Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to Employee of the Month and the rest of your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe directly from the Employee of the Month show page on <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/employee-of-the-month/id487274151">Apple Podcasts</a> or <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7arfYIxS1nvLORL1w7ZpOK">Spotify</a>. Or visit <a href="https://slate.com/podcast-plus?utm_medium=link&amp;utm_campaign=plus_pod&amp;utm_content=Employee_of_the_Month&amp;utm_source=episode_summary">slate.com/employeeplus</a> to get access wherever you listen.</p><hr><p style='color:grey; font-size:0.75em;'> Hosted on Acast. See <a style='color:grey;' target='_blank' rel='noopener noreferrer' href='https://acast.com/privacy'>acast.com/privacy</a> for more information.</p>