The Space Show by Dr. David Livingston
The Space Show by Dr. David Livingston

The Space Show by Dr. David Livingston

Dr. David M. Livingston

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The Space Show Presents Kathryn Bolish of the WEX Foundation on mathematics for space, amazing K-12 STEM programming for lunar habits and more.
NOV 22, 2025
The Space Show Presents Kathryn Bolish of the WEX Foundation on mathematics for space, amazing K-12 STEM programming for lunar habits and more.
<p><strong>The Space Show Presents KATHRYN BOLISH, WEX Foundation, Friday, 11-21-25</strong></p><p>Brief Summary:</p><p>The program focused on discussing the WEX Foundation’s educational programs, particularly their space STEM initiatives for K-12 students through their LCATS program, which provides free education and mentorship in space-related topics. The discussion covered the foundation’s approach to teaching mathematics and programming, as well as their collaboration with NASA and other aerospace companies to develop student projects and curriculum. The conversation concluded with an exploration of the program’s impact on student engagement and academic performance, while addressing challenges related to the COVID pandemic, funding, and policy issues in public education.</p><p>Detailed Summary:</p><p>David, John Jossy, and Kathryn Bolish, our guest from the WEX Foundation, discussed the WEX Foundation, its projects, and its namesake, Judge Waldo Jimenez. <strong>Kathryn explained the power outages at her office causing WIFI issues for this broadcast. We lost audio and video with our guest a few times during the program but were fortunate that we were able to reconnect with a minor delay. We do apologize for the audio/video issues during this discussion.</strong></p><p>Kathryn discussed her passion for mathematics and her plans to pursue a PhD at UTSA. John Jossy and I welcomed Dr. Ajay Kothari to the meeting and others as they joined us. I provided a formal introduction for Kathryn Bolish, a mathematician pursuing a PhD, who discussed her passion for mathematics and its applications in space travel. They explored the disconnect between theoretical and numerical mathematics in education, with Kathryn highlighting the importance of teaching math theory and logic from an early age to improve understanding and reduce remedial needs. Before commencing with the full program, I announced upcoming guests and program changes, including a fundraising campaign after Thanksgiving which is essential for supporting The Space Show for 2026.</p><p>Kathryn discussed the importance of teaching propositional logic and set theory to students early on to help them understand math as a tool rather than a monster. She explained how WEX Foundation provides free space STEM education to K-12 students, focusing on lunar exploration. The program, called LCATS, accepts 30-40 students annually for a three-year commitment, meeting bi-weekly Saturdays at San Antonio area universities. Kathryn emphasized the need for teachers to understand basic programming and math theory to effectively teach these subjects. The discussion also touched on the challenges of AI in education, with Kathryn advocating for using AI as a tool for learning rather than for cheating. David inquired about the program’s impact on students’ general academic performance, including students not in a WEX program but in the class with a WEX student. Kathryn replied that it has led to increased interest and engagement in STEM subjects among participating students.</p><p>Kathryn explained that the WEX Foundation’s LCATS program, which was piloted by NASA in 2017, faced challenges due to the COVID-19 pandemic and staff changes in 2020. She emphasized the importance of ensuring that the program’s content remains relevant to the space industry and highlighted the need to find suitable locations and teachers willing to conduct classes on Saturdays. Kathryn also discussed the foundation’s approach to connecting young students with space industry experts, noting that while the experts may initially seem intimidating, the students often view their feedback as valuable learning opportunities. She mentioned that the foundation plans to finalize a comprehensive LCATS curriculum by May 2026, which will then be used to expand the program to other regions.</p><p>Kathryn discussed the benefits of exposing students to industry challenges, noting that while some SMEs may be harsh, the experience helps build student confidence. She shared an example of a student project that led to a 3D printer prototype for lunar construction, now displayed at a museum. David raised concerns about magical thinking among graduate students and asked how Kathryn addresses it with young minds, to which she responded that embracing the “magic” of unknown possibilities is crucial for innovation, drawing parallels to historical achievements like the moon landing.</p><p>The meeting discussed the NASA-funded New Worlds program, which trains pre-service educators in lunar habitat design. Kathryn explained that the program teaches students about lunar lava tubes and challenges them to design habitat systems. Ajay raised concerns about landing on the lunar surface, suggesting that the program could help address this issue by developing solutions for landing on uneven terrain. Marshall inquired about the transition from Earth-based biospheres to lunar habitats, and Kathryn mentioned that the program partners with experts in this field to provide students with relevant constraints and knowledge. The conversation ended with a reminder that the show had a strict 60-minute time limit.</p><p>Kathryn explained that her parent company, Astroport, evaluates student proposals for space-related projects by assessing their feasibility for terrestrial demonstrations before advancing to lunar applications. She noted that while Astroport works with major aerospace companies like Boeing and SpaceX, WEX focuses on space STEM education and collaborates with these organizations through mentorship and partnerships. Kathryn also mentioned that WEX operates from the same building as Astroport and occasionally hosts engineers to help students brainstorm solutions for their projects, while acknowledging the challenges of addressing policy and regulation issues in their curriculum.</p><p>Kathryn explained that WEX Foundation’s space education programs are structured to be self-sustaining and low-cost, allowing them to continue operations despite NASA’s education budget cuts. She clarified that while students can propose their own ideas for lunar projects, the program focuses on teaching established concepts like lava tube habitation and letting students develop their own solutions. The discussion concluded with Ajay offering to share a paper about space exploration with Kathryn, who expressed gratitude for the collaborative spirit among the participants.</p><p>This program featured a discussion with Kathryn from the WEX Foundation, who shared insights about her math-focused educational programs in San Antonio. She explained how her mathematical background supports her work in program management and curriculum development, despite not directly using advanced math in her current role. The conversation highlighted the diversity of her student cohorts and the collaborative nature of her programs, which bring together students of different ages and backgrounds. The discussion concluded with questions about the demographics of her students and plans for program expansion, as well as a brief conversation about the challenges of public education and the role of money in society.</p><p><em>Special thanks to our sponsors:</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.northropgrumman.com/">Northrup Grumman</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://aiaa.org/">American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://helixspace.eu/">Helix Space in Luxembourg</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.celestis.com/">Celestis Memorial Spaceflights</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://astrox.com/">Astrox Corporation</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://mae.rutgers.edu/haym-benaroya">Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://spacesettlementprogress.com/">The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.project-atlantis.com/">The Atlantis Project</a>, and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.artlessentertainment.com">Artless Entertainment</a></p><p>Our <strong>Toll Free Line</strong> for Live Broadcasts: 1-866-687-7223 (Not in service at this time)</p><p>For <strong>real time program participation</strong>, email Dr. Space at: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> for instructions and access.</p><p><strong><em>The Space Show</em></strong> is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use:</p><p><strong>To donate with Zelle, use the email address: </strong><a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]"><strong>[email protected]</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p>If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to:</p><p>One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135</p><p><strong>Upcoming Programs:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/23-nov-2025/broadcast-4466-zoom-dr.-avi-loeb"><strong>Broadcast 4466: ZOOM: Dr. Avi Loeb | Sunday 23 Nov 2025 1200PM PT</strong></a></p><p><strong>Guests: </strong><a target="_blank" href="https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/dr.-abraham-avi-loeb"><strong>Dr. Abraham (Avi) Loeb</strong></a></p><p><strong>ZOOM: Dr. Avi Loeb returns to discuss our latest interstellar visitor and more.</strong></p> <br/><br/>Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at <a href="https://doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4">doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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78 MIN
Hotel Mars with Eric Berger on New Glenn and a new NASA Administrator.
NOV 22, 2025
Hotel Mars with Eric Berger on New Glenn and a new NASA Administrator.
<p>Hotel Mars with Eric Berger, Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2025</p><p>John Batchelor and I introduced Eric Berger of Ars Technica as our guest to discuss the recent very successful launch and flight of the Blue Origin New Glenn rocket. Eric Berger described the successful second launch and booster landing of Blue Origin’s New Glenn rocket as thrilling. We noted the accuracy of the return of the first stage to return to the barge pad, hover, move sideways and then land dead center in the zero target on the barge. This was a huge step forward. It also successfully deployed a NASA payload to Mars which our guest discussed. New Glenn is the world’s third largest rocket and is crucial for Amazon’s LEO constellation and NASA’s Artemis moon program. We also asked Eric for his opinion regarding Jarod Isaacman as the NASA Administrator. Eric shared many important thoughts regarding this nomination.</p><p><em>Special thanks to our sponsors:</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.northropgrumman.com/">Northrup Grumman</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://aiaa.org/">American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://helixspace.eu/">Helix Space in Luxembourg</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.celestis.com/">Celestis Memorial Spaceflights</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://astrox.com/">Astrox Corporation</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://mae.rutgers.edu/haym-benaroya">Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://spacesettlementprogress.com/">The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.project-atlantis.com/">The Atlantis Project</a>, and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.artlessentertainment.com">Artless Entertainment</a></p><p>Our <strong>Toll Free Line</strong> for Live Broadcasts: 1-866-687-7223 (Not in service at this time)</p><p>For <strong>real time program participation</strong>, email Dr. Space at: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> for instructions and access.</p><p><strong><em>The Space Show</em></strong> is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use:</p><p><strong>To donate with Zelle, use the email address: </strong><a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]"><strong>[email protected]</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p>If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to:</p><p>One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135</p><p><strong>Upcoming Programs:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/23-nov-2025/broadcast-4466-zoom-dr.-avi-loeb">Broadcast 4466: ZOOM: Dr. Avi Loeb | Sunday 23 Nov 2025 1200PM PT</a></p><p>Guests:<a target="_blank" href="https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/dr.-abraham-avi-loeb">Dr. Abraham (Avi) Loeb</a></p><p>ZOOM: Dr. Avi Loeb returns to discuss our latest interstellar visitor and more.</p> <br/><br/>Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at <a href="https://doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4">doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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The Space Show Welcomes Leonard David opening up on space like never before!
NOV 22, 2025
The Space Show Welcomes Leonard David opening up on space like never before!
<p><strong>The Space Show Presents Leonard David for Tuesday, 11-18-25</strong></p><p><strong>Brief Summary</strong></p><p>The program focused on discussing various aspects of the space industry, including current challenges with space safety standards, rescue capabilities, and NASA’s progress on lunar exploration programs. The participants explored potential solutions for space rescue missions, debated the feasibility of alternative lunar exploration approaches, and discussed the challenges of developing a cislunar economy. The conversation concluded with discussions about environmental impacts of space activities, the potential for AI data centers in space, and the upcoming release of a film about UFOs/UAPs.</p><p><strong>Detailed Summary</strong></p><p>David and Leonard discussed the Chinese space program’s current issues with their rescue vehicle and the need for international standards in space safety. They also touched on NASA’s current state and the upcoming visit to the International Space Station by Jared Isaacman. David announced upcoming guests for the space show, including Avi Loeb, and reminded listeners about the annual fundraising drive.</p><p>Leonard discussed his extensive experience in space documentation and emphasized the importance of archiving current space activities for future reference. He highlighted the need for a space rescue capability, citing the Chinese space program’s backup plan as a wake-up call for the United States to develop similar capabilities, especially with the increase in private space flights. David agreed with Leonard’s concerns and mentioned the ongoing discussions about space rescue at AIAA Ascend conferences, expressing concern about the lack of progress and interest in this critical area.</p><p>Leonard and David discussed the potential for SpaceX to assist in a possible Chinese rescue mission, highlighting the need for compatible docking standards with the Chinese space station. They also touched on the challenges NASA faces, including leadership uncertainty and the need for decisive action on key decisions. Leonard expressed frustration with the lack of clear direction and the need for a strong, decisive leader at NASA to move forward with important projects.</p><p>Leonard expressed concerns about NASA’s progress on the Artemis program, noting delays and uncertainty about the February launch date for Artemis II. He compared the current situation to the space race with the Soviet Union, suggesting that the U.S. is falling behind China in lunar exploration efforts. Marshall asked about key milestones for NASA’s moon mission, and Leonard highlighted the importance of SpaceX’s Starship program, praising its development pace but expressing uncertainty about NASA’s decision-making process and timeline.</p><p>The SS Wisdom Team discussed China’s aggressive lunar program, with Leonard noting their goal to achieve significant milestones before 2030, including robotic missions and a lunar research station. They debated alternative approaches to reaching the moon beyond the Artemis program, with Leonard expressing optimism about Blue Origin’s business plan for the moon and its potential to contribute to a cislunar economy. David inquired about the feasibility of alternative methods, and Leonard suggested consulting NASA Watch for insights into NASA’s decision-making processes. Dr. CJ inquired about Mark 1.5, a proposed spacecraft capable of carrying four astronauts and 3,000 kilograms to the moon, but Leonard was unfamiliar with this concept and could not confirm its validity.</p><p>We discussed challenges in the space industry, including the difficulty of filtering credible ideas from speculative ones, and the problem of maintaining workforce stability in startup companies. They explored various launch technologies with some expressing skepticism about Spin Launch on Earth due to drag and heating issues, while noting its potential feasibility on the Moon. The conversation concluded with a discussion about electromagnetic launch systems, with Leonard sharing his experiences from Princeton’s Space Studies Institute and noting how technology advancements could revive interest in these systems.</p><p>The tea, discussed the potential for economic development in cislunar space and on the Moon. Leonard expressed optimism about lunar surprises, citing recent Chinese sample findings. David questioned the feasibility of a cislunar economy, noting high launch costs and the lack of infrastructure. He suggested that economic opportunities might be better suited for in-space markets rather than Earth-bound returns. The discussion highlighted the challenges of envisioning markets without existing infrastructure and the need for creative solutions to develop a lunar economy.</p><p>Another topic we discussed was the potential for AI data centers in space, with Marshall noting that the Pentagon had offered $12 billion to build a 5 gigawatt solar panel, though David questioned whether the funding was secured. Leonard expressed concerns about the militarization of space, highlighting the U.S. Space Force’s growing capabilities and the potential for conflict with other nations. The conversation also touched on Russia’s development of the Poseidon torpedo and the ongoing arms race between major powers, with Marshall mentioning SpaceX’s Starshield program and its potential for advanced surveillance capabilities.</p><p>The team covered the challenges and benefits of nuclear power, both on Earth and in space. Also emphasizing the advantages of using advanced nuclear reactors on Earth, such as molten salt reactors, which are safer and more efficient than current technologies. The conversation touched on regulatory issues and the reluctance to adopt new nuclear technologies, with David highlighting China’s progress in this area. Leonard mentioned his recent article on space waste and the increasing concern about human-made debris entering Earth’s atmosphere, which could have detrimental effects on the ozone layer. The group agreed that more research and regulation are needed to address these issues.</p><p>The group discussed the environmental impact of space activities, with Phil noting that aerospace emissions are 3-4 times worse than ground-based CO2, and Marshall sharing that 44 metric tons of meteorite material falls to Earth daily. David shared that a USC student paper by Jose Ferraria examines the toxic materials released into the upper atmosphere during rocket re-entry, and the group discussed the need for better measurement and understanding of this environmental impact. Looking ahead to 2025, Leonard expressed concern about potential space accidents affecting public interest, while David noted that space tourism has not yet become truly commercial despite earlier predictions, and AI’s influence on rhetoric and belief systems remains a wildcard factor.</p><p>David expressed optimism about space research and development, highlighting medical advances from microgravity studies and the potential for private space stations to drive innovation. He emphasized the importance of affordable and reliable power sources for space research, while expressing concerns about budget cuts and the devaluation of science. The team discussed the progress of private space companies like Blue Origin and SpaceX, with John suggesting that Elon Musk’s Starship could be ready in 5 years. Leonard and others agreed that human spaceflight may not be the focus of major advancements in the next 5 years, but space technology could still significantly impact life on Earth.</p><p>Leonard brought up the upcoming film “Disclosure” about UFOs, which will be available for free on the producer’s website and on Amazon Prime. They debated the potential impact of revealing government secrets about UFOs, with John expressing concerns about national security and the complications that disclosure could create. Leonard shared his personal belief that something significant is happening in the UFO community, while David noted a shift in cultural acceptance of the idea of extraterrestrial life over the past five years. The conversation concluded with plans for future shows featuring Katheryn Bolich of the WEX Foundation and Avi Loeb.</p><p></p><p><em>Special thanks to our sponsors:</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.northropgrumman.com/">Northrup Grumman</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://aiaa.org/">American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://helixspace.eu/">Helix Space in Luxembourg</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.celestis.com/">Celestis Memorial Spaceflights</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://astrox.com/">Astrox Corporation</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://mae.rutgers.edu/haym-benaroya">Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://spacesettlementprogress.com/">The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.project-atlantis.com/">The Atlantis Project</a>, and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.artlessentertainment.com">Artless Entertainment</a></p><p>Our <strong>Toll Free Line</strong> for Live Broadcasts: 1-866-687-7223 (Not in service at this time)</p><p>For <strong>real time program participation</strong>, email Dr. Space at: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> for instructions and access.</p><p><strong><em>The Space Show</em></strong> is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use:</p><p><strong>To donate with Zelle, use the email address: </strong><a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]"><strong>[email protected]</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p>If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to:</p><p>One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135</p><p><strong>Upcoming Programs:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/23-nov-2025/broadcast-4466-zoom-dr.-avi-loeb">Broadcast 4466: ZOOM: Dr. Avi Loeb | Sunday 23 Nov 2025 1200PM PT</a></p><p>Guests:<a target="_blank" href="https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/dr.-abraham-avi-loeb">Dr. Abraham (Avi) Loeb</a></p><p>ZOOM: Dr. Avi Loeb returns to discuss our latest interstellar visitor and more.</p><p></p> <br/><br/>Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at <a href="https://doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_4">doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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124 MIN
The Space Show presents Dr. Doug Plata on his version of what might make Elon Musk tick! Don't miss Doug at his very best on this program.
NOV 18, 2025
The Space Show presents Dr. Doug Plata on his version of what might make Elon Musk tick! Don't miss Doug at his very best on this program.
<p><strong>The Space Show Presents Dr. Doug Plata on Elon Musk, Sunday, 11-16-25</strong></p><p>Brief Summary: The program began with technical discussions and introductions for a space show featuring Dr. Doug Plata as the guest, followed by coverage of Blue Origin’s successful New Glenn launch and their future plans including a NASA moon mission. The conversation then delved into Elon Musk’s motivations and ventures, exploring how his philosophical beliefs about life’s meaning and civilization’s future have driven his various companies including SpaceX, Tesla, and Twitter. The discussion concluded with an analysis of Musk’s influence on AI development, population concerns, and his acquisition of Twitter, while emphasizing the importance of truth and careful decision-making in his future endeavors. Dr. Plata said he that for this discussion, he wanted to “address how Elon came to his personal philosophy after an existential crisis of meaning when he was age 12 and his belief that what is most important is the survival of human intelligence and civilization explains very well why he puts his personal time into some ventures (e.g. SpaceX) and why he doesn’t put much time into others (e.g. Boring Company). The civilizational aspect explains his pro-natal arguments / actions and also his apparently counter-productive foray into Twitter and politics.”</p><p>Detailed Summary: We started out by talking about the significance of the recent Blue Origin launch before David introduced Doug as the guest for the Sunday afternoon West Coast Space Show. David mentioned upcoming guests for the week, including Leonard David, Eric Berger, Cat Bolish, and Dr. Avi Loeb. As Wisdom Team then discussed Blue Origin’s successful New Glenn launch, which delivered two NASA satellites to Mars and landed on a drone ship. They praised the landing accuracy and the innovative landing system that uses sparks to secure the rocket on the ship. Doug mentioned that Blue Origin is planning to launch their own Kuiper (rebranded to Leo) constellation, which will provide revenue for the company. We also discussed Blue Origin’s upcoming moon mission for NASA’s Artemis program and potential future launches for the Department of Defense, pending certification by the Space Force.</p><p>Our team discussed Elon Musk’s philosophy and ventures, with Doug presenting a hypothesis that Musk’s search for the meaning of life drives his focus on advancing human civilization through technology. They explored how Musk’s experiences, including an existential crisis at age 12 and his fascination with “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy,” shaped his belief that the path to understanding the universe’s meaning is through technological advancement and exploration. The discussion highlighted how Musk’s ventures, from SpaceX to Twitter, align with this philosophical perspective, though some participants expressed concerns about his political involvement.</p><p>The team discussed Elon Musk’s motivations and communication style, with David questioning whether Musk cares about public perception and Marshall comparing him to other engineers who pursue leading-edge technology. Doug presented research on Musk’s childhood, including his struggles with bullying and depression, and how reading “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” helped him develop a philosophy of curiosity. The discussion touched on Musk’s autistic traits and his ambitious projects, with Marshall noting that his success allows him to pursue risky ventures without financial ruin.</p><p>Doug discussed Elon Musk’s ventures and philosophy, focusing on how his actions align with his existential goals of preserving human intelligence and finding the meaning of life. Doug explained that Musk’s creation of SpaceX and Tesla, despite their initial financial risks, were driven by his desire to establish a self-sustaining city on Mars to ensure humanity’s long-term survival. The discussion also touched on Musk’s transition to sustainable energy through Tesla and his role in the current administration, with Peter noting that the media’s portrayal of Musk has changed over time.</p><p>Doug led a discussion about Elon Musk’s motivations and ventures, focusing on his founding of SpaceX in 2001 after being frustrated by the lack of access to rocket launches for his Mars Oasis project. They explored how Musk’s concerns about energy sustainability and civilization’s future influenced his decision to start Tesla, which he viewed as part of a broader strategy to transition to an electric economy. The discussion also covered Musk’s approach to other ventures like The Boring Company, noting that while he supported and promoted these projects, he delegated day-to-day leadership to others as they didn’t align as closely with his existential and civilization-focused goals as SpaceX and Tesla did.</p><p>We discussed Elon Musk’s ventures and their potential connection to his goal of establishing a human colony on Mars. They explored how projects like Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, and humanoid robots could indirectly support Mars development through revenue generation. Marshall and Doug agreed that while these ventures aren’t essential for Mars colonization, they have valuable side benefits. The conversation also touched on Musk’s concerns about AI’s existential risks, including his involvement with OpenAI and his recent call for a pause in AI development to address these concerns.</p><p>Our Wisdom Team discussed Elon Musk’s views on AI and population decline. Doug explained that Musk has shifted from being an observer to an active participant in AI development, aiming to direct its growth in a beneficial way. They also discussed Musk’s pronatalist views and concerns about population collapse in Japan and South Korea. Marshall and Doug shared statistics on fertility rates in China and the United States. David raised concerns about Medicare fraud and suggested that government support for IVF could help address declining birth rates. This part of the conversation concluded with a brief discussion on Musk’s involvement with Twitter and his political stance.</p><p>The team discussed Elon Musk’s acquisition of Twitter and his philosophy regarding free speech as essential for technological advancement and civilization’s progress. They explored how Musk’s political actions, including his support for Trump and concerns about immigration, were motivated by his belief in preserving Western civilization and free speech. The discussion concluded with concerns about misinformation surrounding Musk and the challenges of finding accurate information about his ventures, with Philip suggesting the need to combat misinformation with truth rather than counter it with more misinformation.</p><p>A big part of the discussion focused on Elon Musk’s influence and future impact, with Doug presenting a comprehensive analysis of Musk’s ventures and motivations. They explored Musk’s role in AI development through Neuralink, with concerns raised about AI’s potential to outpace human capabilities. The panelists agreed that while Musk’s ventures have been largely positive, he should be cautious about AI development and political involvement. The discussion concluded with messages to Musk emphasizing the importance of truth, careful decision-making, and continued focus on space exploration.\</p><p>Please note that our guest, Dr. Doug Plata, is a practicing medical doctor, not a psychologist or psychiatrist. The analysis and ideas he presented regarding Mr. Musk were his own.</p><p>If you are listening to the audio of this program on The Space Show website, you might want to check out the Zoom video on our Substack page, doctorspace.substack.com.</p><p>Please remember we are in our annual fundraising drive to support the program for 2026. Please donate either through PayPal on the right side of our home page, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.thespaceshow.com">www.thespaceshow.com</a>, Zelle using <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> or Substack using doctorspace.substack.com.</p><p>Thank you.</p><p></p><p><em>Special thanks to our sponsors:</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.northropgrumman.com/">Northrup Grumman</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://aiaa.org/">American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://helixspace.eu/">Helix Space in Luxembourg</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.celestis.com/">Celestis Memorial Spaceflights</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://astrox.com/">Astrox Corporation</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://mae.rutgers.edu/haym-benaroya">Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://spacesettlementprogress.com/">The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.project-atlantis.com/">The Atlantis Project</a>, and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.artlessentertainment.com">Artless Entertainment</a></p><p>Our <strong>Toll Free Line</strong> for Live Broadcasts: 1-866-687-7223 (Not in service at this time)</p><p>For <strong>real time program participation</strong>, email Dr. Space at: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> for instructions and access.</p><p><strong><em>The Space Show</em></strong> is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use:</p><p><strong>To donate with Zelle, use the email address: </strong><a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]"><strong>[email protected]</strong></a><strong>.</strong></p><p>If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to:</p><p>One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135</p><p><strong>Upcoming Programs:</strong></p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/18-nov-2025/broadcast-4463-zoom-leonard-david">Broadcast 4463: ZOOM: Leonard David | Tuesday 18 Nov 2025 700PM PT</a></p><p>Guests: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.thespaceshow.com/guest/leonard-david">Leonard David</a></p><p>ZOOM: Leonard returns with news and perspectives that only he has for our space industry. 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The Space Show welcomes Dr. Daniel Whiteson on his great new book, "Do Aliens Speak Physics? Don't miss this one!
NOV 15, 2025
The Space Show welcomes Dr. Daniel Whiteson on his great new book, "Do Aliens Speak Physics? Don't miss this one!
<p><strong>The Space Show Presents Dr. Daniel Whiteson on his new book, “Do Aliens Speak Physics” Friday, 11-14-25</strong></p><p>Brief Summary:</p><p>Our program began with introductions and discussions about alternative physics theories, including hyperdimensional physics, and the challenges of accepting unconventional ideas in the scientific community. The group explored various topics related to extraterrestrial life and communication, including the nature of mathematics, the potential for alien civilizations, and the challenges of decoding alien messages. They concluded by discussing unidentified aerial phenomena, the possibility of discovering extraterrestrial life, and the difficulties of communicating with alien civilizations, while acknowledging the skepticism of most physicists regarding philosophical questions about the nature of physics and reality.</p><p>Detailed full summary:</p><p>David, Dr. Daniel Whiteson (our guest) and John Jossy discussed alternative physics theories, including the brief mention of hyperdimensional physics (if real), and the challenges of accepting unconventional ideas in the scientific community. John Jossy, a physicist & astronomy major at Cal and now a retired engineer, shared his educational background and interest in astronomy, expressing excitement for the upcoming discussion on life and the universe. The group also touched on the importance of traditional science education and the evolution of science requirements in universities that seem weaker today than yesteryear.</p><p>The meeting recording started with a discussion about Andy Weir’s book, “Project Hail Mary,” including its screenplay adaptation by the same person who wrote “The Martian.” Daniel expressed admiration for the book’s creativity, particularly in its portrayal of alien interactions. David then introduced the show’s format and Wisdom Team participants, including Marshall Martin, a retired software engineer with an engineering perspective, and John Hunt, a physics advisor to David and TSS. David explained his background in business and his interest in space and science, as well as his son’s experience with cystic fibrosis and the advancements in medical technology which led him to many lessons learned re media, science and medical reporting, narrow versus broad minded thinking while remaining grounded in reality. The Team discussed the potential for alien contact and the importance of science and media in shaping public perception of future technologies. The conversation ended with an announcement of upcoming guests and a reminder about the show’s fundraising campaign which is essential to Space Show continuance as it is a 100% listener supported non-profit program.</p><p>Daniel discussed his book “Do Aliens Speak Physics?” which explores the question of whether physics is universal and if aliens would necessarily understand it in the same way as humans. He emphasized the importance of remaining open-minded about potential alternative ways of understanding the universe, as current data only supports the universality of physics within our observable universe. Daniel explained his decision to write the book in a light-hearted, accessible format with humor and illustrations to make complex concepts more approachable for readers. David raised the possibility that aliens might perceive and interact with the universe in fundamentally different ways than humans, potentially challenging our current understanding of physics and conservation laws.</p><p>Daniel discussed the nature of physics and reality, exploring the possibility of multiple ways to describe the universe. He explained that while our current models of physics work well, they are based on philosophical assumptions rather than scientific evidence. Daniel suggested that the universe could be much stranger than we imagine, and that our intuitive understanding may not align with the true nature of reality. He also touched on the limitations of our senses and how they shape our perception of the universe, highlighting the potential for alien physics to be fundamentally different from our own.</p><p>The Wisdom Team discussed the challenges of communicating with extraterrestrial life, focusing on two scenarios: receiving a message from aliens and their physical arrival on Earth. Daniel and David explored the difficulties of decoding alien messages, highlighting the arbitrary nature of language encoding and the lack of a Rosetta Stone for alien languages. They emphasized that even understanding human languages without cultural context is challenging, making the prospect of decoding alien messages seem hopeful but uncertain. The discussion concluded that direct physical interaction with aliens might offer a more promising avenue for communication, as it would provide a shared context for building understanding.</p><p>The Wisdom Team discussed the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence and the nature of mathematics in the universe. Daniel and David explored the idea that mathematics might not be universal, while John Hunt suggested that alien species could have different senses and physical capabilities. Daniel shared his experiences with the elegance of mathematical descriptions in physics, but also acknowledged the arguments of mathematician Field, the author of the classic “Science Without Numbers,” that mathematics could be a human construct rather than a universal language. The discussion raised questions about whether aliens could understand the universe differently, and whether mathematics is necessary for explaining physical phenomena.</p><p>We continued discussing the nature of mathematics and its potential alternatives, with Daniel explaining that while mathematicians seek universal axioms, physicists are more flexible in their approach, often modifying axioms to better describe observations. Marshall challenged the notion of alternative foundations to Euclidean geometry, while John Jossy focused on the universality of the four fundamental forces, suggesting that even aliens would likely recognize these forces despite different methods of perception and communication.</p><p>Daniel discussed the possibility that alien civilizations might not share humanity’s scientific approach to understanding the universe, suggesting that technological advancement could occur without a deep understanding of fundamental physics. He emphasized that human descriptions of the universe are approximate and historically contingent, leading to the idea that there could be multiple valid ways to describe and interact with the universe. David asked about the best way to attempt contact with aliens, given potential incompatibilities in communication methods. Daniel suggested building von Neumann probes for exploration, noting the large distances involved and the potential for exponential reproduction, while acknowledging the ethical and practical challenges of such an endeavor.</p><p>Daniel and David discussed the possibility of extraterrestrial life and the potential for discovering intelligent beings with different ways of understanding the universe. Daniel emphasized the excitement of finding colleagues with similar interests but also highlighted the value of encountering beings who challenge human assumptions about mathematics and physics. He suggested that discovering alien intelligence that operates differently from humans could offer profound insights into the nature of human existence. David raised a question about the role of a universal God in the context of alien life, prompting Daniel to reflect on the possibility that such a God might not necessarily be the same for all intelligent beings.</p><p>Daniel and David discussed the potential for extraterrestrial life and the implications for human understanding of the universe. Daniel suggested that aliens might have diverse beliefs and cultures, including religious and scientific perspectives, which could challenge human concepts of God and faith. David shared a perspective from a Chabad rabbi that equates scientific and religious faith, but Daniel emphasized the self-correcting nature of science as a key distinction given that scientific faith requires data. Religious faith is usually based on stories, not quantifiable data. Marshall raised the possibility of using artificial intelligence to communicate with aliens, but Daniel expressed doubt that AI could truly understand the universe, though it might assist in decoding alien communications.</p><p>As we were nearing the end of the program, our Wisdom Team discussed the possibility of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and extraterrestrial life, with Daniel expressing skepticism despite wanting to believe in aliens. John Hunt shared his perspective on the pervasive nature of UAP reports over the past 80 years and the government’s history of disinformation. They explored potential methods of communication with aliens, with Daniel suggesting starting with mathematics and using a broad range of sensors to detect signals. David raised questions about Earth’s signal leakage and the potential for extraterrestrial civilizations to detect us, suggesting that light-based communication might be more effective than radio waves, assuming we used the best wave lengths for such communication.</p><p>In conclusion, our discussion focused on the challenges of communicating with extraterrestrial civilizations, with Daniel explaining that while powerful astrophysical phenomena like quasars emit intense signals, harnessing such energy for communication would be impractical and potentially dangerous. Daniel emphasized the difficulty of distinguishing between natural signals and potential alien communications due to our limited understanding of the universe, using examples like the WOW signal and cosmic rays to illustrate this challenge. The conversation concluded with Daniel expressing optimism about the possibility of discovering extraterrestrial life, while acknowledging that most physicists are skeptical of philosophical questions about the nature of physics and reality.</p><p>If you are reading the summary on The Space Show website, try Substack and watch the Zoom video: doctorspace.substack.com. Please don’t forget that we are in our fund raising period to support TSS for the coming year. Please donate now. Let me know if you have questions.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>. Thank you very much.</p><p><em>Special thanks to our sponsors:</em><a target="_blank" href="https://www.northropgrumman.com/">Northrup Grumman</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://aiaa.org/">American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://helixspace.eu/">Helix Space in Luxembourg</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.celestis.com/">Celestis Memorial Spaceflights</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://astrox.com/">Astrox Corporation</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://mae.rutgers.edu/haym-benaroya">Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://spacesettlementprogress.com/">The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy</a>, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.project-atlantis.com/">The Atlantis Project</a>, and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.artlessentertainment.com">Artless Entertainment</a></p><p>Our <strong>Toll Free Line</strong> for Live Broadcasts: 1-866-687-7223 (Not in service at this time)</p><p>For <strong>real time program participation</strong>, email Dr. Space at: <a target="_blank" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> for instructions and access.</p><p><strong><em>The Space Show</em></strong> is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. 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