A Meeting of Electronic Generations with Ian Boddy & Harald Grosskopf in the Echoes Podcast<img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" data-attachment-id="122725" data-permalink="https://echoes.org/2025/03/10/monday-mar-24-2025-ian-boddy-harald-grosskopf/boddy-grosskopf-john/" data-orig-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Boddy-Grosskopf-John.jpg" data-orig-size="1080,565" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="Boddy-Grosskopf-John" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Boddy-Grosskopf-John-600x314.jpg" data-large-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Boddy-Grosskopf-John.jpg" src="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Boddy-Grosskopf-John.jpg" alt="" width="869" height="462" class="aligncenter wp-image-122725" />
In the Echoes Podcast, It&#8217;s a meeting of electronic generations with Ian Boddy and Harald Grosskopf, drummer for Klaus Schulze and Ashra. Ian grew up traveling the spaceways of Ash Ra Tempel, Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze. Harald Grosskopf was the drummer for Klaus Schulze and Ashra back then before turning to electronic music.
<blockquote>Harald Grosskopf: When I heard the first time a sequencer, I was completely out of my mind. I had goosebumps and the groove was so intense. I remember that was in the basement of the house of Klaus Schulze in the early 70s. he started the sequencer and it blew my mind.</blockquote>
Ian Boddy and Harald Grosskopf talk about their new album, <a href="https://dinrecords.bandcamp.com/album/doppelg-nger-din91" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Doppelganger</a> and the golden age of German electronic music today on Echoes. 
<a href="https://dinrecords.bandcamp.com/album/doppelg-nger-din91" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img decoding="async" data-attachment-id="122665" data-permalink="https://echoes.org/2025/03/10/monday-mar-24-2025-ian-boddy-harald-grosskopf/echoes-255/" data-orig-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/boddy-grosskopf-doppelganger-600.jpg" data-orig-size="600,600" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;onay - stock.adobe.com&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Echoes&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}" data-image-title="Echoes" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/boddy-grosskopf-doppelganger-600.jpg" data-large-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/boddy-grosskopf-doppelganger-600.jpg" src="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/boddy-grosskopf-doppelganger-600.jpg" alt="" width="500" height="500" class="aligncenter wp-image-122665" srcset="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/boddy-grosskopf-doppelganger-600.jpg 600w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/boddy-grosskopf-doppelganger-600-150x150.jpg 150w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/boddy-grosskopf-doppelganger-600-400x400.jpg 400w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/boddy-grosskopf-doppelganger-600-260x260.jpg 260w" sizes="(max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px" /></a>
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Echoes Podcast: Ian Boddy & Harald Grosskopf

Mutantrumpet Creator Ben Neill Proposes an Age of Music Democratization: Echoes Podcast<img decoding="async" data-attachment-id="122267" data-permalink="https://echoes.org/2025/03/04/tuesday-mar-18-2025-ben-neill/screenshot-4/" data-orig-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Neil-3-6-2025-Mutantrumpet-1200x633-1.jpg" data-orig-size="1200,633" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Screenshot&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Screenshot&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}" data-image-title="Screenshot" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="&lt;p&gt;Screenshot&lt;/p&gt;
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If you’ve listened to Echoes over the last 30 years, you’ve heard the music of Ben Neill a lot. He plays an instrument called the mutantrumpet which has 3 trumpet bells, a trombone slide, two sets of valves and a lot of electronics. He’s been making music on the edges of electronica since his 1995 album, Green Machine. In the main part of the Echoes Podcast, I&#8217;m not going to talk to Ben about the trumpet, but about his new book, <a href="https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0CYY4CJ8L/echoes0a0-20" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Diffusing Music – Trajectories of Sonic Democratization</a>, Ben Neill talks about a history of opening up music to everyone, from the Futurists to Fluxus to AI. You don&#8217;t need traditional skill to make music anymore.
<blockquote>Ben Neill: Yeah, de-skilling and re-skilling, so that technology takes over and makes it so that a lot of the skills that were required are just not valid anymore or they&#8217;re not needed anymore.</blockquote>
I’ll be talking to Ben Neill about his book and as a bonus, after the regular interview, we’ll have Ben demonstrating his mutantrumpet.
Hear the Ben Neill and his mutantrumpet in a live Echoes performance <a href="https://echoes.org/2025/03/19/ben-neill-performing-live-on-echoes/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">here</a>.
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0CYY4CJ8L/echoes0a0-20" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-attachment-id="122535" data-permalink="https://echoes.org/2025/03/20/echoes-podcast-ben-neills-music-democracy/neill-diffusing-cvr/" data-orig-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Neill-Diffusing-cvr.jpg" data-orig-size="1024,1500" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}" data-image-title="Neill-Diffusing cvr" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Neill-Diffusing-cvr-410x600.jpg" data-large-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Neill-Diffusing-cvr-819x1200.jpg" src="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Neill-Diffusing-cvr-410x600.jpg" alt="" width="265" height="382" class="aligncenter wp-image-122535" /></a>
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Echoes Podcast: Ben Neill’s Music Democracy

Krautrock Country with Immersion and SUSS: The Echoes Podcast<img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-attachment-id="120713" data-permalink="https://echoes.org/2025/02/20/echoes-podcast-immersion-suss/echoes-235/" data-orig-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/immersion-suss-podcast-1200.jpg" data-orig-size="1200,630" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;Echoes&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Echoes&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}" data-image-title="Echoes" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/immersion-suss-podcast-1200-600x315.jpg" data-large-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/immersion-suss-podcast-1200.jpg" src="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/immersion-suss-podcast-1200.jpg" alt="Suss in shadows next to Immersion's Colin Newman &amp; Malka Spigel for Echoes Podcast" width="694" height="370" class="aligncenter wp-image-120713" />
The Echoes CD of the Month in March is going to be <a href="https://swim.greedbag.com/buy/nanocluster-vol-8/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Nanocluster Volume 3</a>. by Immersion and Suss and today in the podcast, I’ve got an interview with them. Immersion is the duo of Colin Newman from the iconic new wave band Wire and Malka Spigel from the Israeli new wave band Minimal Compact. SUSS is the American Ambient Country group with guitarist Bob Holmes, guitarist Pat Irwin of The Raybeats, The B-52s and soundtracks for the last two Dexter Series among many other, and pedal steel guitarist Jonathan Gregg of Jonathan Gregg &amp; the Lonesome Debonaires.
This unlikely pairing has produced an album that’s a true meeting of ambient, country and Krautrock aesthetics and a style I might have to dub Krautrock Country. It’s spaghetti western music in space.
<blockquote>Colin Newman: There is a part of Malka and I that we do love, that motoric beat. And there is definitely a side of immersion that is, you know, we are quite&#8230; Into rhythm. Into rhythm. And that is the very opposite of SUSS.
Bob Holmes: . . . my goodness, they&#8217;re going to give us a song like State of Motion that has all of this rhythm in it. What happens if we give them a track that has all this air and openness in it.</blockquote>
Colin Newman and Bob Holmes. I talk to all members of Suss and immersion in the Echoes Podcast.
<a href="https://echoes.org/2024/06/27/echoes-podcast-immersions-colin-newman-malka-spigel/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Immersion 2024 Echoes Podcast</a>. 
<a href="https://echoes.org/2023/08/10/echoes-podcast-suss-balmorhea/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">SUSS 2023 Echoes Podcast</a>
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Echoes Podcast: Immersion & Suss Interview

Electronic Explorer Steve Roach Turns 70.<img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-attachment-id="66353" data-permalink="https://echoes.org/2020/01/23/echoes-podcast-steve-roach-past-to-future/roach-modular-sideways-1200/" data-orig-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200.jpg" data-orig-size="1200,630" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}" data-image-title="Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200-600x315.jpg" data-large-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200.jpg" src="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200.jpg" alt="" width="1200" height="630" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-66353" srcset="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200.jpg 1200w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200-600x315.jpg 600w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200-768x403.jpg 768w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200-860x452.jpg 860w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200-400x210.jpg 400w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Roach-Modular-Sideways-1200-260x137.jpg 260w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px" />In 2019 Steve Roach was voted #2 of <a href="https://echoes.org/2020/11/10/30-icons-of-echoes/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">30 Icons of Echoes</a> for our 30 year anniversary. Five years later, he was still #2 for our 35th Anniversary and the<a href="https://echoes.org/2024/10/07/35-icons-of-echoes/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"> 35 Icons of Echoes</a>. For the 30th, we created a profile of Steve, and now that he is turning 70 on February 16, 2025,  I thought we&#8217;d take a look back at that feature. When we created Echoes, Steve Roach was one of the artists at the forefront of our thoughts.  In fact, he was the first artist ever heard on the show, since he composed the theme song we used in our early years. He has continued evolving his sound across that time, chronicled with a prolific outpouring of releases. And while other artists from the early years of Echoes have faded away, Steve Roach has remained vital. Hear his story from Berlin School sequencers to techno-tribal and back again, in the Echoes Podcast.
For More Steve Roach on Echoes 
<a href="https://echoes.org/2024/07/18/echoes-podcast-rich-ruth-and-steve-roach/">Echoes Podcast: Steve Roach Structures from Silence 40th</a> 
<a href="https://echoes.org/2023/03/23/echoes-podcast-steve-roach-linda-kohanov/">Echoes Podcast: Steve Roach and Simon Emmerson</a>

Echoes Podcast Special: Steve Roach 70th

Amon Tobin's psychedelic Dreams: The Echoes Podcast<img loading="lazy" decoding="async" data-attachment-id="71187" data-permalink="https://echoes.org/2020/09/02/wednesday-sept-16-2020-amon-tobin-interview/amontobin-1200x630/" data-orig-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/amontobin-1200x630-1.jpg" data-orig-size="1200,630" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}" data-image-title="amontobin-1200&#215;630" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="" data-medium-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/amontobin-1200x630-1-600x315.jpg" data-large-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/amontobin-1200x630-1.jpg" src="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/amontobin-1200x630-1.jpg" alt="" width="815" height="434" class="aligncenter wp-image-71187" />
In the Echoes Podcast I have a lost interview when I talk to the bands Figueroa, Two Fingers and Only Child Tyrant. The only thing is, those aren’t bands, but the various recording personas of Amon Tobin, the electronic composer who is pretty eclectic under his own name. His music has evolved, but at the core, he’s still doing what he did when he started as Cujo in 1996.
<blockquote>Amon Tobin: I’ll take something that’s an established form, and I’ll remove it from its understood context. And I’ll put it in an electronic world and see what happens.</blockquote>
Tobin specializes in a modern version of musique concrete, but he also has a project as Figueroa that is purely psychedelic. So much that you might think you’ve traveled to San Francisco&#8217;s Fillmore Auditorium circa 1968.
We ran this interview on the Echoes broadcast in September of 2020, but for some reason, it did not make it into the Podcast. I was tipped to this when I read a nice retrospective piece in Tom Moon’s <a href="https://echolocator.substack.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Echolocator </a>Substack Blog. I thought, I should send Tom a link to the podcast, he’d probably enjoy it. Only to discover it never made it into the podcast. I do not know why. But today, I’m rectifying that. So get ready for a deep dive into Amon Tobin talking about his music in the Echoes Podcast.
<div id="attachment_119739" style="width: 1210px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-119739" data-attachment-id="119739" data-permalink="https://echoes.org/2025/02/06/echoes-podcast-amon-tobin-lost-interview/screenshot-3/" data-orig-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Tobin-John-Zoom-BW-1200x668-1.jpg" data-orig-size="1200,668" data-comments-opened="1" data-image-meta="{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;Screenshot&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Screenshot&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}" data-image-title="Screenshot" data-image-description="" data-image-caption="&lt;p&gt;This one is for the gearheads: Amon Tobin&#8217;s studio 2020&lt;/p&gt;
" data-medium-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Tobin-John-Zoom-BW-1200x668-1-600x334.jpg" data-large-file="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Tobin-John-Zoom-BW-1200x668-1.jpg" src="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Tobin-John-Zoom-BW-1200x668-1.jpg" alt="Amon Tobin in his studio surrounded by synthesizers. Black and White." width="1200" height="668" class="size-full wp-image-119739" srcset="https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Tobin-John-Zoom-BW-1200x668-1.jpg 1200w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Tobin-John-Zoom-BW-1200x668-1-600x334.jpg 600w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Tobin-John-Zoom-BW-1200x668-1-768x428.jpg 768w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Tobin-John-Zoom-BW-1200x668-1-860x479.jpg 860w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Tobin-John-Zoom-BW-1200x668-1-400x223.jpg 400w, https://echoes.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Tobin-John-Zoom-BW-1200x668-1-260x145.jpg 260w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px" />This one is a crappy photo for the gearheads: Amon Tobin&#8217;s studio 2020</div>

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