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Primary: From Administration to Connection | A How I Lead Interview with Michelle Colledge
DEC 14, 2025
Primary: From Administration to Connection | A How I Lead Interview with Michelle Colledge
<p>Primary is so much more than schedules, rolls, and meetings—it’s a sacred opportunity to love, lift, and lead like the Savior. In this inspiring interview, we explore how Primary presidencies and leaders can transform everyday administration into meaningful ministry.</p> <p>Michelle Colledge lives in Cedar Hills, Utah with her husband, Rick, and their five children. She owns and coaches at Canyon Gymnastics and loves reading, traveling, and spending time with her family. She graduated from Utah Valley University, served a full-time mission in the North Carolina Raleigh Mission, and has served in various callings including stake Primary president, ward Primary president, and in several Primary and Young Women presidencies.<br /> <!-- Leave this comment to create a SPACE --><br /> <!-- GENERIC LINK to Zion Lab and "Watch the Video" IMAGE --><a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank"><img decoding="async" src="https://files.leadingsaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/04134941/Watch-the-Video1-e1754337003739.png" alt="Watch the Video" width="300" height="100" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-258841" /> <!-- "Share in Zion Lab" IMAGE --><img decoding="async" src="https://files.leadingsaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/06112457/Share-in-the-ZL-Community-e1757188256510.png" alt="Share Your Thoughts in the Zion Lab Community" width="300" height="100" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-259139" /></a><br /> <!-- Leave this comment to create a SPACE --><br /> <a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank">Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community</a><br /> <!-- GENERIC LINK to Zion Lab --><a href="https://leadingsaints.org/zion" target="_blank">Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community</a></p> <h3>Key Insights</h3> <p>Building Community: Michelle emphasizes the importance of creating a sense of community within Primary by engaging with children and their families, such as through home visits for birthdays, which fosters personal connections.</p> <p>Perceptive Leadership: Leaders should be observant and responsive to the needs of children, ensuring that every child feels valued and included. This includes recognizing when a child feels overlooked and taking steps to address it.</p> <p>Innovative Programming: The introduction of a stake Primary devotional allowed children to actively participate in leadership roles, such as greeters and speakers, which empowered them and made the event more engaging.</p> <p>Personalized Involvement: Michelle highlights the significance of knowing each child&#8217;s name and interests, which helps leaders connect on a deeper level and enhances the overall Primary experience.</p> <p>Flexibility in Leadership: Leaders should be willing to adapt and create new opportunities for service and connection, as demonstrated by the transition from traditional birthday celebrations to personalized home visits during COVID-19.</p> <h3>Leadership Applications</h3> <p>Foster Personal Connections: Latter-day Saint leaders can implement home visits or personalized notes to recognize children’s milestones, enhancing their sense of belonging and importance within the community.</p> <p>Encourage Participation: By inviting children to take on roles in Primary programs, leaders can help them develop confidence and a sense of responsibility, making church activities more meaningful.</p> <p>Be Observant and Responsive: Leaders should regularly assess the dynamics within their Primary classes, looking for ways to support teachers and children, ensuring that everyone feels included and valued in the Primary experience.</p> <h3>Highlights</h3> <p>00:04:28 &#8211; Transitioning from Ward to Stake Primary Presidency<br /> 00:06:04 &#8211; Finding Footing as Stake Primary President<br /> 00:08:19 &#8211; Monthly Presidency Meetings and Activities<br /> 00:10:19 &#8211; Yearly Primary Activity Planning<br /> 00:11:59 &#8211; Training for New Primary Presidencies<br /> 00:12:52 &#8211; Best Practices for Primary Presentations<br /> 00:16:25 &#8211; Creating a Reverent Atmosphere in Presentations<br /> 00:18:56 &#8211; Encouraging Children to Write Their Own Parts<br /> 00:19:56 &#8211; Engaging with Children in Primary<br /> 00:20:45 &#8211; Personal Connections with Children<br /> 00:25:13 &#8211; Connecting with Primary Presidencies in the Stake<br /> 00:27:11 &#8211; Perceiving Needs Like the Savior<br /> 00:29:19 &#8211; Inviting Children to Serve in Primary<br /> 00:34:56 &#8211; Organizing a Stake Primary Devotional<br /> 00:40:21 &#8211; Conclusion and Q&#038;A Session<br /> <!-- SPACE --><br /> <iframe src='https://ask.swellai.com/a/01kc5dwdjwxtfhva20af5xmnar' width='100%' height='180' frameborder='0' scrolling='yes' seamless='true' style='width:100%; height:180px;'></iframe><br /> <!-- END OF PAGE LINKS TO POPULAR CONTENT --></p> <p><em><strong>The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast </strong></em>is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit <em>Leading Saints&#8217;</em> mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the <a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank">Zion Lab community</a>. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/">LeadingSaints.org</a>.</p> <p><em><strong>Past guests include</strong></em> <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/girls-camp-grace-and-the-bishops-office-an-interview-with-emily-belle-freeman/">Emily Belle Freeman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/putting-jesus-at-the-center-of-your-ward-an-interview-with-david-butler/">David Butler</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-art-of-teaching-an-interview-with-hank-smith/">Hank Smith</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-bishop-an-interview-with-john-bytheway/">John Bytheway</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/connecting-the-general-with-the-individual-an-interview-with-reyna-and-elena-aburto/">Reyna and Elena Aburto</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/what-to-do-when-the-bishop-is-an-accidental-diminisher-an-interview-with-liz-wiseman/">Liz Wiseman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/leading-with-trust-an-interview-with-stephen-m-r-covey/">Stephen M. R. Covey</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-science-of-scaling-your-ward-an-interview-with-benjamin-hardy/">Benjamin Hardy</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-president-of-byu-idaho-an-interview-with-elder-alvin-f-meredith-iii/">Elder Alvin F. Meredith III</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-general-relief-society-president-an-interview-with-julie-beck/">Julie Beck</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-grace-of-jesus-christ-in-leadership-an-interview-with-brad-wilcox/">Brad Wilcox</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/mental-health-youth-an-interview-with-jody-moore/">Jody Moore</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/unhealthy-ways-we-seek-validation-as-leaders-an-interview-with-tony-overbay/">Tony Overbay</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-a-seventy-an-interview-with-elder-john-h-groberg/">John H. Groberg</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/teach-them-their-identity-an-interview-with-elaine-dalton/">Elaine Dalton</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/a-case-for-the-book-of-mormon-an-interview-with-tad-r-callister/">Tad R. Callister</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/leading-people-to-do-and-be-like-jesus-christ-an-interview-with-lynn-g-robbins/">Lynn G. Robbins</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/principles-of-leadership-an-interview-with-j-devn-cornish/">J. Devn Cornish</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/he-will-magnify-your-efforts-an-interview-with-bonnie-oscarson/">Bonnie Oscarson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/building-the-church-in-eastern-europe-an-interview-with-dennis-b-neuenschwander/">Dennis B. Neuenschwander</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-best-five-years-an-interview-with-kirby-heyborne/">Kirby Heyborne</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/nfl-leadership-at-church-an-interview-with-taysom-hill/">Taysom Hill</a>, Coaches <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-byu-womens-soccer-coach-an-interview-with-jennifer-rockwood/" target="_blank">Jennifer Rockwood</a> and <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/from-byu-quarterback-to-stake-president-an-interview-with-brandon-doman/" target="_blank">Brandon Doman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/church-doctrine-policy-leadership-an-interview-with-anthony-sweat/">Anthony Sweat</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/bearded-bishops-rated-r-movies-the-honor-code-an-interview-with-john-hilton-iii/">John Hilton III</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/women-priesthood-church-leadership-an-interview-with-barbara-morgan-gardner/">Barbara Morgan Gardner</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/liberals-doctrine-apologetics-at-church-an-interview-with-blair-hodges/">Blair Hodges</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/disrupting-your-calling-whitney-johnson-rebroadcast/">Whitney Johnson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/what-every-leader-should-consider-about-community-in-their-ward-ryan-gottfredson-rebroadcast/">Ryan Gottfredson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/being-an-essentialism-bishop-greg-mckeown-rebroadcast/">Greg McKeown</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/why-god-calls-some-as-relief-society-presidents-and-others-as-cancer-survivors-an-interview-with-ganel-lyn-condie/">Ganel-Lyn Condie</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-doctrine-related-to-being-single-or-married-an-interview-with-michael-goodman/">Michael Goodman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/women-in-council-meetings-an-interview-with-wendy-ulrich/">Wendy Ulrich</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/listen-learn-and-love-lgbt-latter-day-saints-an-interview-with-richard-ostler/">Richard Ostler</a>, and many more in over 800 episodes.</p> <p><em><strong>Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings</strong></em> such as the <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/bishop/">bishopric</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/reliefsociety/">Relief Society</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/eldersquorum/">elders quorum</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/primary-presidencies/">Primary</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/youth-leadership/">youth leadership</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/stakeleadership/">stake leadership</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/ward-mission-leader/">ward mission</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/tag/ward-council/">ward council</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/tag/young-adults/">young adults</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/ministering/">ministering</a>, and <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/teaching/">teaching</a>.</p>
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Why Ward Goals Matter | An Interview with Blake Erickson
DEC 10, 2025
Why Ward Goals Matter | An Interview with Blake Erickson
<p>Blake Erickson is the co-founder of Scaling.com, a company dedicated to helping entrepreneurs scale bigger and faster than they ever thought possible. He is the co-author of the New York Times best-selling book <em>The Science of Scaling</em>, and a highly sought-after keynote speaker specializing in guiding companies and individuals to achieve rapid growth and seemingly impossible goals. Blake resides in Utah with his amazing wife, Bre, and their two sons.<br /> <!-- Leave this comment to create a SPACE followed by photo of the guest --><br /> <img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-259748" src="https://files.leadingsaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/03151800/Blake-Erickson-e1764800350878-400x400.png" alt="Blake Erickson" width="400" height="400" /><br /> <!-- Leave this comment to create a SPACE --><br /> <!-- GENERIC LINK to Zion Lab and "Watch the Video" IMAGE --><a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-258841" src="https://files.leadingsaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/04134941/Watch-the-Video1-e1754337003739.png" alt="Watch the Video" width="300" height="100" /> <!-- "Share in Zion Lab" IMAGE --><img decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-259139" src="https://files.leadingsaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/06112457/Share-in-the-ZL-Community-e1757188256510.png" alt="Share Your Thoughts in the Zion Lab Community" width="300" height="100" /></a><br /> <!-- Leave this comment to create a SPACE --><br /> <a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community</a></p> <h2>Links</h2> <p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Rapid-Transformation-Science-Achieving-Impossible-ebook/dp/B0D37M59XR/" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><em>The Science of Scaling: Grow Your Business Bigger and Faster Than You Think Possible</em></a><br /> <a href="https://scaling.com/audiobook" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Scaling.com/Audiobook</a><br /> <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-science-of-scaling-your-ward-an-interview-with-benjamin-hardy/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">The Science of Scaling Your Ward | An Interview with Benjamin Hardy</a><br /> <!-- GENERIC LINK to Zion Lab --><a href="https://leadingsaints.org/zion" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community</a></p> <h2>Highlights</h2> <p>Blake discusses the importance of setting ambitious goals and the principles of effective leadership within the context of Latter-day Saint service. The conversation emphasizes how faith and intentionality can lead to significant results in both personal and church-related endeavors.</p> <h3>Key Insights</h3> <p>Goal Setting and Faith: Blake shares his experience of setting a seemingly impossible goal of 100 baptisms during his mission, illustrating how faith and ambition can drive success.</p> <p><strong>Identifying Key Indicators:</strong> He emphasizes the importance of recognizing patterns and indicators that lead to success, such as focusing on individuals who are genuinely interested in the gospel rather than spreading efforts too thin.</p> <p><strong>The Power of One:</strong> The discussion highlights that often, one person can make a significant impact, whether in a business or church setting, by inspiring others and driving collective progress.</p> <p><strong>Less is More:</strong> Blake advocates for the idea that achieving goals often requires doing less but with greater focus, rather than simply increasing activity levels.</p> <p><strong>Cultural Dynamics:</strong> The conversation touches on the need to challenge existing cultural norms that may hinder progress, encouraging leaders to empower all members to contribute actively.</p> <h3>Leadership Applications</h3> <p><strong>Setting Clear Goals:</strong> Latter-day Saint leaders can adopt Blake&#8217;s approach by establishing clear, ambitious goals for their congregations, focusing on what truly matters to drive spiritual growth and engagement.</p> <p><strong>Fostering a Culture of Participation:</strong> Leaders should encourage all members to take initiative and share their insights, breaking down barriers that prevent individuals from stepping forward in service.</p> <p><strong>Prioritizing Key Activities:</strong> By identifying the most impactful activities and focusing efforts on those, leaders can enhance the effectiveness of their ministries, ensuring that resources are used wisely and results are maximized.</p> <p>00:03:24 &#8211; Blake Erickson&#8217;s Mission Experience<br /> 00:04:10 &#8211; Shifting Focus on Mission Goals<br /> 00:05:06 &#8211; Learning from Missionary Work<br /> 00:06:58 &#8211; Identifying Key Indicators for Success<br /> 00:08:27 &#8211; Setting Goals and Expectations<br /> 00:10:18 &#8211; The Importance of Commitment<br /> 00:12:10 &#8211; Recognizing Progress and Indicators<br /> 00:14:10 &#8211; Communicating with Non-Progressing Individuals<br /> 00:15:02 &#8211; Applying Business Principles to Church Leadership<br /> 00:16:37 &#8211; Scaling the Church and Its Impact<br /> 00:18:50 &#8211; The Gospel as a Solution<br /> 00:20:49 &#8211; Manifesting Faith in Daily Life<br /> 00:21:00 &#8211; Expressing Desires to God<br /> 00:23:30 &#8211; The Importance of Ambition<br /> 00:25:32 &#8211; Balancing Church Responsibilities<br /> 00:26:58 &#8211; Navigating Life After the Mission<br /> 00:27:09 &#8211; Engaging with Elders Quorum Leadership<br /> 00:29:04 &#8211; Focusing on One Goal in the Ward<br /> 00:30:17 &#8211; The Power of Less and Different Approaches<br /> 00:32:02 &#8211; Identifying False Requirements<br /> 00:34:15 &#8211; The Impact of One Person<br /> 00:35:04 &#8211; Onboarding Others to a Common Goal<br /> 00:37:31 &#8211; Building Unity Through Shared Goals<br /> 00:38:31 &#8211; Cultural Dynamics in Church Leadership<br /> <!-- SPACE --><br /> <iframe style="width: 100%; height: 180px;" src="https://ask.swellai.com/a/01kbk51aqafz4cp2errty7gess" width="100%" height="180" frameborder="0" scrolling="yes" seamless="true"></iframe><br /> <!-- END OF PAGE LINKS TO POPULAR CONTENT --></p> <p><em><strong>The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast </strong></em>is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit <em>Leading Saints&#8217;</em> mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the <a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Zion Lab community</a>. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/">LeadingSaints.org</a>.</p> <p><em><strong>Past guests include</strong></em> <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/girls-camp-grace-and-the-bishops-office-an-interview-with-emily-belle-freeman/">Emily Belle Freeman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/putting-jesus-at-the-center-of-your-ward-an-interview-with-david-butler/">David Butler</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-art-of-teaching-an-interview-with-hank-smith/">Hank Smith</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-bishop-an-interview-with-john-bytheway/">John Bytheway</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/connecting-the-general-with-the-individual-an-interview-with-reyna-and-elena-aburto/">Reyna and Elena Aburto</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/what-to-do-when-the-bishop-is-an-accidental-diminisher-an-interview-with-liz-wiseman/">Liz Wiseman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/leading-with-trust-an-interview-with-stephen-m-r-covey/">Stephen M. R. Covey</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-science-of-scaling-your-ward-an-interview-with-benjamin-hardy/">Benjamin Hardy</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-president-of-byu-idaho-an-interview-with-elder-alvin-f-meredith-iii/">Elder Alvin F. Meredith III</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-general-relief-society-president-an-interview-with-julie-beck/">Julie Beck</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-grace-of-jesus-christ-in-leadership-an-interview-with-brad-wilcox/">Brad Wilcox</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/mental-health-youth-an-interview-with-jody-moore/">Jody Moore</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/unhealthy-ways-we-seek-validation-as-leaders-an-interview-with-tony-overbay/">Tony Overbay</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-a-seventy-an-interview-with-elder-john-h-groberg/">John H. Groberg</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/teach-them-their-identity-an-interview-with-elaine-dalton/">Elaine Dalton</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/a-case-for-the-book-of-mormon-an-interview-with-tad-r-callister/">Tad R. Callister</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/leading-people-to-do-and-be-like-jesus-christ-an-interview-with-lynn-g-robbins/">Lynn G. Robbins</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/principles-of-leadership-an-interview-with-j-devn-cornish/">J. Devn Cornish</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/he-will-magnify-your-efforts-an-interview-with-bonnie-oscarson/">Bonnie Oscarson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/building-the-church-in-eastern-europe-an-interview-with-dennis-b-neuenschwander/">Dennis B. Neuenschwander</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-best-five-years-an-interview-with-kirby-heyborne/">Kirby Heyborne</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/nfl-leadership-at-church-an-interview-with-taysom-hill/">Taysom Hill</a>, Coaches <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-byu-womens-soccer-coach-an-interview-with-jennifer-rockwood/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Jennifer Rockwood</a> and <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/from-byu-quarterback-to-stake-president-an-interview-with-brandon-doman/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Brandon Doman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/church-doctrine-policy-leadership-an-interview-with-anthony-sweat/">Anthony Sweat</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/bearded-bishops-rated-r-movies-the-honor-code-an-interview-with-john-hilton-iii/">John Hilton III</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/women-priesthood-church-leadership-an-interview-with-barbara-morgan-gardner/">Barbara Morgan Gardner</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/liberals-doctrine-apologetics-at-church-an-interview-with-blair-hodges/">Blair Hodges</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/disrupting-your-calling-whitney-johnson-rebroadcast/">Whitney Johnson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/what-every-leader-should-consider-about-community-in-their-ward-ryan-gottfredson-rebroadcast/">Ryan Gottfredson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/being-an-essentialism-bishop-greg-mckeown-rebroadcast/">Greg McKeown</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/why-god-calls-some-as-relief-society-presidents-and-others-as-cancer-survivors-an-interview-with-ganel-lyn-condie/">Ganel-Lyn Condie</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-doctrine-related-to-being-single-or-married-an-interview-with-michael-goodman/">Michael Goodman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/women-in-council-meetings-an-interview-with-wendy-ulrich/">Wendy Ulrich</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/listen-learn-and-love-lgbt-latter-day-saints-an-interview-with-richard-ostler/">Richard Ostler</a>, and many more in over 800 episodes.</p> <p><em><strong>Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings</strong></em> such as the <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/bishop/">bishopric</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/reliefsociety/">Relief Society</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/eldersquorum/">elders quorum</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/primary-presidencies/">Primary</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/youth-leadership/">youth leadership</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/stakeleadership/">stake leadership</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/ward-mission-leader/">ward mission</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/tag/ward-council/">ward council</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/tag/young-adults/">young adults</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/ministering/">ministering</a>, and <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/teaching/">teaching</a>.</p>
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Will Leading Saints Last?
DEC 4, 2025
Will Leading Saints Last?
<p>Kurt Francom, the executive director of Leading Saints, shares his thoughts on the challenges and responsibilities of leading a nonprofit organization within the Latter-day Saint community. He reflects on the need for support, the complexities of church culture, and the importance of individual leadership in building the Kingdom of God.<br /> <!-- Leave this comment to create a SPACE --><br /> <!-- GENERIC LINK to Zion Lab and "Watch the Video" IMAGE --><a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-258841" src="https://files.leadingsaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/04134941/Watch-the-Video1-e1754337003739.png" alt="Watch the Video" width="300" height="100" /> <!-- "Share in Zion Lab" IMAGE --><img decoding="async" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-259139" src="https://files.leadingsaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/06112457/Share-in-the-ZL-Community-e1757188256510.png" alt="Share Your Thoughts in the Zion Lab Community" width="300" height="100" /></a><br /> <!-- Leave this comment to create a SPACE --><br /> <a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Watch the video and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community</a></p> <h2>Links</h2> <p><a href="https://leadingsaints.org/im-not-the-gatekeeper-im-the-welcoming-committee-an-interview-with-kurt-brown/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">“I’m Not the Gatekeeper, I’m the Welcoming Committee” | An Interview with Kurt Brown</a><br /> <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/being-an-advocate-for-those-you-lead-an-interview-with-rob-ferrell-rebroadcast/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Being an Advocate for Those You Lead | An Interview with Robert Ferrell</a><br /> <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/rallying-the-ward-around-sacrament-meeting-a-how-i-lead-interview-with-ryan-webb/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Rallying the Ward Around Sacrament Meeting | A How I Lead Interview with Ryan Webb</a><br /> <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/getting-the-youth-to-do-hard-things-a-how-i-lead-interview-with-tanner-pursley/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Getting the Youth to Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Tanner Pursley</a><br /> <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/young-men-can-do-hard-things-a-how-i-lead-interview-with-skylar-haws/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Young Men Can Do Hard Things | A How I Lead Interview with Skylar Haws</a><br /> <a href="http://leadingsaints.org/zion" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Zion Lab: LeadingSaints.org/Zion</a><br /> <!-- GENERIC LINK to Zion Lab --><a href="https://leadingsaints.org/zion" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community</a></p> <h2>Highlights</h2> <p>Funding Challenges: Kurt discusses the difficulties of securing funding for Leading Saints, emphasizing the need for both small and large donations to sustain the organization’s mission.</p> <p>Cultural Issues in the Church: He highlights the complexities of church culture, including the struggles of church leaders and members with faith crises, LGBT issues, and the need for a supportive community.</p> <p>The Role of Individual Leadership: Kurt stresses that effective leadership is crucial for fostering a positive church culture, which can help individuals navigate their faith journeys and challenges.</p> <p>Transformational Experiences: He believes that rather than providing formal training, Leading Saints focuses on creating transformational experiences that empower individuals to lead and make a difference in their communities.</p> <p>Call to Action: Kurt invites listeners to engage with Leading Saints through initiatives like Zion Lab and becoming Zion Builders, emphasizing the collective effort needed to build Zion.</p> <h3>Leadership Applications</h3> <p>Encouraging Community Support: Latter-day Saint leaders can foster a culture of support by actively seeking and encouraging contributions from their communities, similar to how fans rally around a sports team.</p> <p>Promoting Individual Initiative: Leaders should empower members to take initiative in their callings and personal faith journeys, recognizing that everyone can contribute to building the Kingdom of God, regardless of their formal position.</p> <p>Creating Transformational Opportunities: Leaders can focus on providing experiences that inspire and uplift their congregations, rather than relying solely on traditional training methods, to cultivate a more engaged and resilient community.</p> <p>00:01:08 &#8211; The Journey of Leading Saints<br /> 00:02:25 &#8211; The Role of an Executive Director<br /> 00:04:14 &#8211; The Need for Funding<br /> 00:05:57 &#8211; Articulating the Problem in Church Leadership<br /> 00:07:34 &#8211; The Complexity of Church Culture<br /> 00:09:11 &#8211; The Importance of Individual Action<br /> 00:10:51 &#8211; The Law of Consecration<br /> 00:12:19 &#8211; Building Zion and Community<br /> 00:14:10 &#8211; Connection to BYU Football<br /> 00:16:20 &#8211; Community Support for Leaders<br /> 00:17:01 &#8211; The Call for Support and Funding<br /> 00:19:14 &#8211; The Role of Leading Saints in Cultural Issues<br /> 00:21:23 &#8211; Transformational Experiences and Leadership<br /> 00:23:12 &#8211; Call to Action: Join the Zion Lab<br /> 00:25:00 &#8211; Becoming a Zion Builder<br /> 00:26:25 &#8211; Sponsoring Others and Seeking Larger Donors<br /> 00:29:11 &#8211; The Impact of Positive Culture in the Church<br /> <!-- SPACE --><br /> <iframe style="width: 100%; height: 180px;" src="https://ask.swellai.com/a/01kbkrc0yj4kh4x1bfdpjydjs3" width="100%" height="180" frameborder="0" scrolling="yes" seamless="true"></iframe><br /> <!-- END OF PAGE LINKS TO POPULAR CONTENT --></p> <p><em><strong>The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast </strong></em>is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit <em>Leading Saints&#8217;</em> mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the <a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Zion Lab community</a>. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/">LeadingSaints.org</a>.</p> <p><em><strong>Past guests include</strong></em> <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/girls-camp-grace-and-the-bishops-office-an-interview-with-emily-belle-freeman/">Emily Belle Freeman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/putting-jesus-at-the-center-of-your-ward-an-interview-with-david-butler/">David Butler</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-art-of-teaching-an-interview-with-hank-smith/">Hank Smith</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-bishop-an-interview-with-john-bytheway/">John Bytheway</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/connecting-the-general-with-the-individual-an-interview-with-reyna-and-elena-aburto/">Reyna and Elena Aburto</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/what-to-do-when-the-bishop-is-an-accidental-diminisher-an-interview-with-liz-wiseman/">Liz Wiseman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/leading-with-trust-an-interview-with-stephen-m-r-covey/">Stephen M. R. Covey</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-science-of-scaling-your-ward-an-interview-with-benjamin-hardy/">Benjamin Hardy</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-president-of-byu-idaho-an-interview-with-elder-alvin-f-meredith-iii/">Elder Alvin F. Meredith III</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-general-relief-society-president-an-interview-with-julie-beck/">Julie Beck</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-grace-of-jesus-christ-in-leadership-an-interview-with-brad-wilcox/">Brad Wilcox</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/mental-health-youth-an-interview-with-jody-moore/">Jody Moore</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/unhealthy-ways-we-seek-validation-as-leaders-an-interview-with-tony-overbay/">Tony Overbay</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-a-seventy-an-interview-with-elder-john-h-groberg/">John H. Groberg</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/teach-them-their-identity-an-interview-with-elaine-dalton/">Elaine Dalton</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/a-case-for-the-book-of-mormon-an-interview-with-tad-r-callister/">Tad R. Callister</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/leading-people-to-do-and-be-like-jesus-christ-an-interview-with-lynn-g-robbins/">Lynn G. Robbins</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/principles-of-leadership-an-interview-with-j-devn-cornish/">J. Devn Cornish</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/he-will-magnify-your-efforts-an-interview-with-bonnie-oscarson/">Bonnie Oscarson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/building-the-church-in-eastern-europe-an-interview-with-dennis-b-neuenschwander/">Dennis B. Neuenschwander</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-best-five-years-an-interview-with-kirby-heyborne/">Kirby Heyborne</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/nfl-leadership-at-church-an-interview-with-taysom-hill/">Taysom Hill</a>, Coaches <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-byu-womens-soccer-coach-an-interview-with-jennifer-rockwood/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Jennifer Rockwood</a> and <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/from-byu-quarterback-to-stake-president-an-interview-with-brandon-doman/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Brandon Doman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/church-doctrine-policy-leadership-an-interview-with-anthony-sweat/">Anthony Sweat</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/bearded-bishops-rated-r-movies-the-honor-code-an-interview-with-john-hilton-iii/">John Hilton III</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/women-priesthood-church-leadership-an-interview-with-barbara-morgan-gardner/">Barbara Morgan Gardner</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/liberals-doctrine-apologetics-at-church-an-interview-with-blair-hodges/">Blair Hodges</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/disrupting-your-calling-whitney-johnson-rebroadcast/">Whitney Johnson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/what-every-leader-should-consider-about-community-in-their-ward-ryan-gottfredson-rebroadcast/">Ryan Gottfredson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/being-an-essentialism-bishop-greg-mckeown-rebroadcast/">Greg McKeown</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/why-god-calls-some-as-relief-society-presidents-and-others-as-cancer-survivors-an-interview-with-ganel-lyn-condie/">Ganel-Lyn Condie</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-doctrine-related-to-being-single-or-married-an-interview-with-michael-goodman/">Michael Goodman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/women-in-council-meetings-an-interview-with-wendy-ulrich/">Wendy Ulrich</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/listen-learn-and-love-lgbt-latter-day-saints-an-interview-with-richard-ostler/">Richard Ostler</a>, and many more in over 800 episodes.</p> <p><em><strong>Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings</strong></em> such as the <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/bishop/">bishopric</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/reliefsociety/">Relief Society</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/eldersquorum/">elders quorum</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/primary-presidencies/">Primary</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/youth-leadership/">youth leadership</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/stakeleadership/">stake leadership</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/ward-mission-leader/">ward mission</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/tag/ward-council/">ward council</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/tag/young-adults/">young adults</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/ministering/">ministering</a>, and <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/teaching/">teaching</a>.</p>
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Ward Conference Best Practices | A Zion Lab Livestream
NOV 26, 2025
Ward Conference Best Practices | A Zion Lab Livestream
<p>This podcast episode features part of a Zion Lab live stream conversation with a group of ward and stake leaders discussing the purpose and execution of ward conferences. The conversation emphasizes the need for meaningful engagement and feedback from members to enhance the effectiveness of these conferences.<br /> <!-- Leave this comment to create a SPACE --><br /> <!-- GENERIC LINK to Zion Lab and "Watch the Video" IMAGE --><a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank"><img decoding="async" src="https://files.leadingsaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/04134941/Watch-the-Video1-e1754337003739.png" alt="Watch the Video" width="300" height="100" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-258841" /> <!-- "Share in Zion Lab" IMAGE --><img decoding="async" src="https://files.leadingsaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/06112457/Share-in-the-ZL-Community-e1757188256510.png" alt="Share Your Thoughts in the Zion Lab Community" width="300" height="100" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-259139" /></a><br /> <!-- Leave this comment to create a SPACE --><br /> <a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank">Watch and share your thoughts in the Zion Lab community</a></p> <h2>Links</h2> <p><a href="https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/29-meetings-in-the-church?lang=eng" target="_blank">General Handbook 29.2.3 Ward Conference</a><br /> <!-- GENERIC LINK to Zion Lab --><a href="https://leadingsaints.org/zion" target="_blank">Transcript available with the video in the Zion Lab community</a></p> <h2>Highlights</h2> <p>04:26 &#8211; Overcoming Traditional Approaches<br /> 06:08 &#8211; Gathering Feedback from Members<br /> 08:21 &#8211; Creating Meaningful Experiences<br /> 10:00 &#8211; Handbook Guidelines for Ward Conferences<br /> 12:45 &#8211; Shifting Focus from Burden to Blessing<br /> 14:09 &#8211; Unique Approaches to Ward Conferences<br /> 15:37 &#8211; Scheduling Ward Conferences Effectively<br /> 18:21 &#8211; Addressing Local Needs vs. Stake Focus<br /> 20:01 &#8211; The Purpose of Ward Conferences<br /> 24:40 &#8211; The Distance Between Stake and Ward<br /> 26:01 &#8211; Building Positive Stake-Ward Relationships</p> <h3>Key Insights</h3> <p>Purpose of Ward Conferences: Leaders reflect on the importance of ward conferences as a means to unify the ward, provide spiritual nourishment, and address local needs, rather than merely fulfilling a procedural requirement.</p> <p>Feedback Mechanisms: The discussion highlights the necessity of gathering feedback from both leaders and general members to assess the value of ward conferences and identify areas for improvement.</p> <p>Innovative Approaches: Leaders share successful strategies, such as organizing activities leading up to the conference and involving youth, to create a more engaging and meaningful experience for the congregation.</p> <p>Avoiding Tradition for Tradition&#8217;s Sake: The conversation stresses the importance of not falling into the trap of maintaining outdated practices simply because &#8220;it&#8217;s always been done that way.&#8221; Leaders are encouraged to innovate and adapt based on current ward needs.</p> <p>Collaboration and Council: The value of collaborative meetings among stake and ward leaders is emphasized, allowing for shared insights and collective problem-solving regarding ward needs and challenges.</p> <h3>Leadership Applications</h3> <p>Solicit Member Feedback: Leaders should actively seek input from ward members about their experiences and expectations for ward conferences, ensuring that the events are tailored to meet their needs.</p> <p>Create Engaging Experiences: By planning activities and discussions that involve the entire ward community, leaders can foster a sense of belonging and investment in the ward&#8217;s culture and mission.</p> <p>Embrace Flexibility: Leaders are encouraged to approach ward conferences with an open mind, willing to adapt formats and themes based on the unique dynamics of their wards, rather than adhering strictly to traditional methods.<br /> <!-- END OF PAGE LINKS TO POPULAR CONTENT --></p> <p><em><strong>The award-winning Leading Saints Podcast </strong></em>is one of the top independent Latter-day Saints podcasts as part of nonprofit <em>Leading Saints&#8217;</em> mission to help Latter-day Saints be better prepared to lead. Find Leadership Tools, Courses, and Community for Latter-day Saint leaders in the <a href="https://app.leadingsaints.org" target="_blank">Zion Lab community</a>. Learn more and listen to any of the past episodes for free at <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/">LeadingSaints.org</a>.</p> <p><em><strong>Past guests include</strong></em> <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/girls-camp-grace-and-the-bishops-office-an-interview-with-emily-belle-freeman/">Emily Belle Freeman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/putting-jesus-at-the-center-of-your-ward-an-interview-with-david-butler/">David Butler</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-art-of-teaching-an-interview-with-hank-smith/">Hank Smith</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-bishop-an-interview-with-john-bytheway/">John Bytheway</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/connecting-the-general-with-the-individual-an-interview-with-reyna-and-elena-aburto/">Reyna and Elena Aburto</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/what-to-do-when-the-bishop-is-an-accidental-diminisher-an-interview-with-liz-wiseman/">Liz Wiseman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/leading-with-trust-an-interview-with-stephen-m-r-covey/">Stephen M. R. Covey</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-science-of-scaling-your-ward-an-interview-with-benjamin-hardy/">Benjamin Hardy</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-president-of-byu-idaho-an-interview-with-elder-alvin-f-meredith-iii/">Elder Alvin F. Meredith III</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-general-relief-society-president-an-interview-with-julie-beck/">Julie Beck</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-grace-of-jesus-christ-in-leadership-an-interview-with-brad-wilcox/">Brad Wilcox</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/mental-health-youth-an-interview-with-jody-moore/">Jody Moore</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/unhealthy-ways-we-seek-validation-as-leaders-an-interview-with-tony-overbay/">Tony Overbay</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-a-seventy-an-interview-with-elder-john-h-groberg/">John H. Groberg</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/teach-them-their-identity-an-interview-with-elaine-dalton/">Elaine Dalton</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/a-case-for-the-book-of-mormon-an-interview-with-tad-r-callister/">Tad R. Callister</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/leading-people-to-do-and-be-like-jesus-christ-an-interview-with-lynn-g-robbins/">Lynn G. Robbins</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/principles-of-leadership-an-interview-with-j-devn-cornish/">J. Devn Cornish</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/he-will-magnify-your-efforts-an-interview-with-bonnie-oscarson/">Bonnie Oscarson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/building-the-church-in-eastern-europe-an-interview-with-dennis-b-neuenschwander/">Dennis B. Neuenschwander</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-best-five-years-an-interview-with-kirby-heyborne/">Kirby Heyborne</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/nfl-leadership-at-church-an-interview-with-taysom-hill/">Taysom Hill</a>, Coaches <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/how-i-lead-as-byu-womens-soccer-coach-an-interview-with-jennifer-rockwood/" target="_blank">Jennifer Rockwood</a> and <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/from-byu-quarterback-to-stake-president-an-interview-with-brandon-doman/" target="_blank">Brandon Doman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/church-doctrine-policy-leadership-an-interview-with-anthony-sweat/">Anthony Sweat</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/bearded-bishops-rated-r-movies-the-honor-code-an-interview-with-john-hilton-iii/">John Hilton III</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/women-priesthood-church-leadership-an-interview-with-barbara-morgan-gardner/">Barbara Morgan Gardner</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/liberals-doctrine-apologetics-at-church-an-interview-with-blair-hodges/">Blair Hodges</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/disrupting-your-calling-whitney-johnson-rebroadcast/">Whitney Johnson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/what-every-leader-should-consider-about-community-in-their-ward-ryan-gottfredson-rebroadcast/">Ryan Gottfredson</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/being-an-essentialism-bishop-greg-mckeown-rebroadcast/">Greg McKeown</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/why-god-calls-some-as-relief-society-presidents-and-others-as-cancer-survivors-an-interview-with-ganel-lyn-condie/">Ganel-Lyn Condie</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/the-doctrine-related-to-being-single-or-married-an-interview-with-michael-goodman/">Michael Goodman</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/women-in-council-meetings-an-interview-with-wendy-ulrich/">Wendy Ulrich</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/listen-learn-and-love-lgbt-latter-day-saints-an-interview-with-richard-ostler/">Richard Ostler</a>, and many more in over 800 episodes.</p> <p><em><strong>Discover podcasts, articles, virtual conferences, and live events related to callings</strong></em> such as the <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/bishop/">bishopric</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/reliefsociety/">Relief Society</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/eldersquorum/">elders quorum</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/primary-presidencies/">Primary</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/youth-leadership/">youth leadership</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/stakeleadership/">stake leadership</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/ward-mission-leader/">ward mission</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/tag/ward-council/">ward council</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/tag/young-adults/">young adults</a>, <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/ministering/">ministering</a>, and <a href="https://leadingsaints.org/category/teaching/">teaching</a>.</p>
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