This week, hosts June Thomas, Isaac Butler, and Ronald Young Jr. reflect on the best tips, tools, and words of wisdom from the past four years of Working. They bid farewell to the show, to the listeners, and discuss the lessons that stuck with them and changed the way they work. They also save time at the end to reply to some heartwarming listener emails.   Past episodes that they mention include: <a href="https://slate.com/podcasts/working/2021/02/choreographer-annie-b-parson">How Choreographer Annie-B Parson Expresses Music Through Movement</a>, <a href="https://slate.com/podcasts/working/2021/11/oliver-burkeman-time-management">Writer Oliver Burkeman on the Dangers of Obsessive Time Management</a>, and <a href="https://slate.com/podcasts/working/2024/02/how-to-write-every-day-and-stick-to-it">How to Write Every Day and Stick to It</a>. In recent years, Working has been hosted by June Thomas, Isaac Butler, Ronald Young Jr., Karen Han, Nate Chinen, Kristen Meinzer, TK Dutes, and Cameron Drews.  Morgan Flannery was the founding producer of the most recent iteration of the show. Cameron Drews and Kevin Bendis have been the primary producers of both Working and Working Overtime.  Please send comments, questions, tips about creative work, and feedback to <a href="mailto:working@slate.com">working@slate.com</a>, and thank you so much for listening!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

<description>This week, hosts June Thomas, Isaac Butler, and Ronald Young Jr. reflect on the best tips, tools, and words of wisdom from the past four years of Working. They bid farewell to the show, to the listeners, and discuss the lessons that stuck with them and changed the way they work. They also save time at the end to reply to some heartwarming listener emails.  

Past episodes that they mention include: How Choreographer Annie-B Parson Expresses Music Through Movement, Writer Oliver Burkeman on the Dangers of Obsessive Time Management, and How to Write Every Day and Stick to It.

In recent years, Working has been hosted by June Thomas, Isaac Butler, Ronald Young Jr., Karen Han, Nate Chinen, Kristen Meinzer, TK Dutes, and Cameron Drews. 

Morgan Flannery was the founding producer of the most recent iteration of the show. Cameron Drews and Kevin Bendis have been the primary producers of both Working and Working Overtime. 

Please send comments, questions, tips about creative work, and feedback to working@slate.com, and thank you so much for listening! 
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices</description>

June, Isaac, and Ronald look back on some of the most useful creative wisdom from the show.

This week, hosts June Thomas, Isaac Butler, and Ronald Young Jr. reflect on the best tips, tools, and words of wisdom from the past four years of Working. They bid farewell to the show, to the listeners, and discuss the lessons that stuck with them and changed the way they work. They also save time at the end to reply to some heartwarming listener emails.  

Past episodes that they mention include: How Choreographer Annie-B Parson Expresses Music Through Movement, Writer Oliver Burkeman on the Dangers of Obsessive Time Management, and How to Write Every Day and Stick to It.

In recent years, Working has been hosted by June Thomas, Isaac Butler, Ronald Young Jr., Karen Han, Nate Chinen, Kristen Meinzer, TK Dutes, and Cameron Drews. 

Morgan Flannery was the founding producer of the most recent iteration of the show. Cameron Drews and Kevin Bendis have been the primary producers of both Working and Working Overtime. 

Please send comments, questions, tips about creative work, and feedback to working@slate.com, and thank you so much for listening! 
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A Working Farewell and What We’ve Learned

On this, the final episode of Working Overtime, hosts Ronald Young Jr. and June Thomas share some last bits of advice on how best to leave a job! Ronald has been let go, quit jobs, and switched gears in every possible way. June has moved across countries and allowed turning points in her life to be catalysts for moving on from certain work. Both of them share their experiences and offer some best practices for leaving on good terms and being prepared to leap into something new.Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

<description>On this, the final episode of Working Overtime, hosts Ronald Young Jr. and June Thomas share some last bits of advice on how best to leave a job! Ronald has been let go, quit jobs, and switched gears in every possible way. June has moved across countries and allowed turning points in her life to be catalysts for moving on from certain work. Both of them share their experiences and offer some best practices for leaving on good terms and being prepared to leap into something new.
Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews.
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On this, the final episode of Working Overtime, hosts Ronald Young Jr. and June Thomas share some last bits of advice on how best to leave a job! Ronald has been let go, quit jobs, and switched gears in every possible way. June has moved across countries and allowed turning points in her life to be catalysts for moving on from certain work. Both of them share their experiences and offer some best practices for leaving on good terms and being prepared to leap into something new.
Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews.
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Working Overtime: Saying Goodbye

This week, host Ronald Young Jr. talks to Andy J. Pizza, an illustrator and creator of children’s books who’s also the host of the <a href="https://www.creativepeptalk.com/">Creative Pep Talk</a> podcast. In the interview, Andy explains what it’s like to be a working artist with ADHD, and he shares some strategies that have helped him channel his attention, accomplish tasks, and evolve in his career.  After the interview, Ronald and co-host June Thomas talk about creating like a child and the importance of “useless” friends. In the exclusive Slate Plus segment, Andy discusses some of his favorite music.  Podcast production by Cameron Drews. Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to working@slate.com or give us a call at (304) 933-9675. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get an ad-free experience across the network and exclusive content on many shows—you’ll also be supporting the work we do here on Working. Sign up now at slate.com/workingplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

<description>This week, host Ronald Young Jr. talks to Andy J. Pizza, an illustrator and creator of children’s books who’s also the host of the Creative Pep Talk podcast. In the interview, Andy explains what it’s like to be a working artist with ADHD, and he shares some strategies that have helped him channel his attention, accomplish tasks, and evolve in his career. 

After the interview, Ronald and co-host June Thomas talk about creating like a child and the importance of “useless” friends.

In the exclusive Slate Plus segment, Andy discusses some of his favorite music. 

Podcast production by Cameron Drews.

Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to working@slate.com or give us a call at (304) 933-9675.

If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get an ad-free experience across the network and exclusive content on many shows—you’ll also be supporting the work we do here on Working. Sign up now at slate.com/workingplus to help support our work.
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Illustrator and podcaster Andy J. Pizza shares the routines and practices that help to direct his creativity.

This week, host Ronald Young Jr. talks to Andy J. Pizza, an illustrator and creator of children’s books who’s also the host of the Creative Pep Talk podcast. In the interview, Andy explains what it’s like to be a working artist with ADHD, and he shares some strategies that have helped him channel his attention, accomplish tasks, and evolve in his career. 

After the interview, Ronald and co-host June Thomas talk about creating like a child and the importance of “useless” friends.

In the exclusive Slate Plus segment, Andy discusses some of his favorite music. 

Podcast production by Cameron Drews.

Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to working@slate.com or give us a call at (304) 933-9675.

If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get an ad-free experience across the network and exclusive content on many shows—you’ll also be supporting the work we do here on Working. Sign up now at slate.com/workingplus to help support our work.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

An Artist’s Guide to ADHD and Getting Stuff Done

This week, host Isaac Butler talks to composer and bandleader Darcy James Argue, who fronts the 18-piece big band jazz group Secret Society. In the interview, Darcy talks about the thought processes that go into his compositions, like how his interest in mathematician Alan Turning inspired a track on the group’s most recent album <a href="https://www.nonesuch.com/albums/dynamic-maximum-tension">Dynamic Maximum Tension</a>. He also discusses the many hats he needs to wear, how he balances complexity and accessibility in his music, and how he makes the most of rehearsal time with such a big group.  After the interview, Isaac and co-host Ronald Young Jr. talk about the challenges and discomforts of self-promotion.  In the exclusive Slate Plus segment, Darcy explains how he decides how to assign solos in his big band music.  Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to working@slate.com or give us a call at (304) 933-9675. Podcast production by Cameron Drews. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get an ad-free experience across the network and exclusive content on many shows—you’ll also be supporting the work we do here on Working. Sign up now at slate.com/workingplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

<description>This week, host Isaac Butler talks to composer and bandleader Darcy James Argue, who fronts the 18-piece big band jazz group Secret Society. In the interview, Darcy talks about the thought processes that go into his compositions, like how his interest in mathematician Alan Turning inspired a track on the group’s most recent album Dynamic Maximum Tension. He also discusses the many hats he needs to wear, how he balances complexity and accessibility in his music, and how he makes the most of rehearsal time with such a big group. 

After the interview, Isaac and co-host Ronald Young Jr. talk about the challenges and discomforts of self-promotion. 

In the exclusive Slate Plus segment, Darcy explains how he decides how to assign solos in his big band music. 

Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to working@slate.com or give us a call at (304) 933-9675.

Podcast production by Cameron Drews.

If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get an ad-free experience across the network and exclusive content on many shows—you’ll also be supporting the work we do here on Working. Sign up now at slate.com/workingplus to help support our work.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices</description>

Darcy James Argue, bandleader for the 18-piece jazz band Secret Society, describes the many hats that he has to weave and wear.

This week, host Isaac Butler talks to composer and bandleader Darcy James Argue, who fronts the 18-piece big band jazz group Secret Society. In the interview, Darcy talks about the thought processes that go into his compositions, like how his interest in mathematician Alan Turning inspired a track on the group’s most recent album Dynamic Maximum Tension. He also discusses the many hats he needs to wear, how he balances complexity and accessibility in his music, and how he makes the most of rehearsal time with such a big group. 

After the interview, Isaac and co-host Ronald Young Jr. talk about the challenges and discomforts of self-promotion. 

In the exclusive Slate Plus segment, Darcy explains how he decides how to assign solos in his big band music. 

Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to working@slate.com or give us a call at (304) 933-9675.

Podcast production by Cameron Drews.

If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get an ad-free experience across the network and exclusive content on many shows—you’ll also be supporting the work we do here on Working. Sign up now at slate.com/workingplus to help support our work.
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How a Big Band Leader and Composer Wrangles All the Moving Parts

On this week's episode of Working Overtime, hosts Ronald Young Jr. and June Thomas get into the weeds on in-between time and pivoting from one job to the next. June is at the tail end of the promotional tour of <a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/june-thomas/a-place-of-our-own/9781541601741/?lens=seal-press">her book</a>, while Ronald is gearing up for a new season of his podcast <a href="https://www.radiotopia.fm/podcasts/weight-for-it">Weight For It</a>. How do you take the final steps of wrapping up one project and be ready for another one? They share tips like prioritizing deadlines, taking on short-term anchor jobs, and ensuring you don’t give all your time to work that zaps your energy.If you liked this episode be sure to check out our previous episode on <a href="https://slate.com/podcasts/working/2023/11/a-crucial-freelance-strategy-anchor-jobs">How “Anchor Jobs” Can Save Your Freelance Life</a>Do you have questions or advice of your own about the creative process? Reach out at (304) 933-9675 or email us at working@slate.com.  Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

<description>On this week's episode of Working Overtime, hosts Ronald Young Jr. and June Thomas get into the weeds on in-between time and pivoting from one job to the next. June is at the tail end of the promotional tour of her book, while Ronald is gearing up for a new season of his podcast Weight For It. How do you take the final steps of wrapping up one project and be ready for another one? They share tips like prioritizing deadlines, taking on short-term anchor jobs, and ensuring you don’t give all your time to work that zaps your energy.
If you liked this episode be sure to check out our previous episode on How “Anchor Jobs” Can Save Your Freelance Life
Do you have questions or advice of your own about the creative process? Reach out at (304) 933-9675 or email us at working@slate.com.  
Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices</description>

The hosts discuss the best strategies for shifting between creative endeavors.

On this week's episode of Working Overtime, hosts Ronald Young Jr. and June Thomas get into the weeds on in-between time and pivoting from one job to the next. June is at the tail end of the promotional tour of her book, while Ronald is gearing up for a new season of his podcast Weight For It. How do you take the final steps of wrapping up one project and be ready for another one? They share tips like prioritizing deadlines, taking on short-term anchor jobs, and ensuring you don’t give all your time to work that zaps your energy.
If you liked this episode be sure to check out our previous episode on How “Anchor Jobs” Can Save Your Freelance Life
Do you have questions or advice of your own about the creative process? Reach out at (304) 933-9675 or email us at working@slate.com.  
Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews.
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Working Overtime: Transitioning From One Project to the Next

Hosts Isaac Butler, Ronald Young Jr., and June Thomas interview creative people about how they write, compose, paint, and more.

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