<p>Today I&#39;m coming to you with a conversation I had with Jelena Holodkova about how to actually move forward when you&#39;re stuck in the in-between phase.</p><p>Jelena is an IFS practitioner and breathwork teacher who works with people stuck in the messy middle, the in-between of an old life that&#39;s dissolved and a new one not yet formed.</p><p>About halfway through, she walks me through a live IFS session on my fear of being seen.</p><p><strong>Timestamps</strong></p><ul><li>00:43 How Jelena went from banking in London to breathwork in Ibiza (the honeymoon story)</li><li>04:21 The people stuck in the messy middle, and why they can&#39;t think their way out</li><li>07:21 Nic goes first: a live IFS session on the fear of being seen</li><li>12:50 A memory surfaces from a fifth birthday</li><li>23:30 Burning the burden</li><li>35:00 Kabbalah, soul correction, and why your biggest fear is your assignment</li><li>41:30 &quot;You&#39;re not stuck. A part of you feels stuck.&quot;</li><li>54:15 When forcing yourself works, and when it breaks you</li><li>59:30 What to do if you&#39;re feeling lost between lives</li></ul><p><strong>Find Jelena</strong></p><ul><li>Instagram: @andalso.jel</li><li>Website: andalso.space</li><li>Learn more about her upcoming breathwork teacher training: <a href="https://www.andalso.space/breathworkteachertraining">andalso.space/breathworkteachertraining</a></li></ul>