<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;War and Christianity are certainly not strangers.  In fact, they seem pretty friendly many of the times.  In this episode Bonnie, Rajeev and Jeff discuss the complicated history of war and Christianity.  A discussion that seems especially timely considering the current invasion of Ukraine.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;The conversation starts by acknowledging the ample examples of divine mandated war in our religious text.  To which, the wide path of Biblical interpretations has come up with many theological ‘theories’ on war and peace.  Bonnie specifically lays out a great overview of the history of the peace movement in America from her studies to lay the foundation for the remainder of the episode.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;After sharing a little about their journeys through their thoughts and beliefs about war, the discussion delves deeper into pacifism.  There soon seems to be a quick distinction between theory and reality.  Struggling with questions like:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;What amount of privilege has led to your thoughts on war and peace?  What does pacifism and non-violence look like on the ground when it is no longer a thought exercise?  Are there moral absolutes when discussing war and violence?  Is there movement on the spectrum of violence and oppression and peace and pacifism?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;And speaking of things that are better in theory, we introduce a new segment called Connect the Dots to close the episode. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: 400;"&gt;Conversation on War and Christianity (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;02:44&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;Connect the Dots Segment (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;strong&gt;42:33&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style= "font-weight: 400;"&gt;)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt; 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Irenicast - A Progressive Christian Podcast

Rev. Bonnie Rambob, Pastor Casey Tinnin, Jeff Manildi and, Rev. Rajeev Ramb

War and Christianity - Striving for Co-Flourishing - 198

MAR 15, 202258 MIN
Irenicast - A Progressive Christian Podcast

War and Christianity - Striving for Co-Flourishing - 198

MAR 15, 202258 MIN

Description

War and Christianity are certainly not strangers.  In fact, they seem pretty friendly many of the times.  In this episode Bonnie, Rajeev and Jeff discuss the complicated history of war and Christianity.  A discussion that seems especially timely considering the current invasion of Ukraine.

The conversation starts by acknowledging the ample examples of divine mandated war in our religious text.  To which, the wide path of Biblical interpretations has come up with many theological ‘theories’ on war and peace.  Bonnie specifically lays out a great overview of the history of the peace movement in America from her studies to lay the foundation for the remainder of the episode.

After sharing a little about their journeys through their thoughts and beliefs about war, the discussion delves deeper into pacifism.  There soon seems to be a quick distinction between theory and reality.  Struggling with questions like:

What amount of privilege has led to your thoughts on war and peace?  What does pacifism and non-violence look like on the ground when it is no longer a thought exercise?  Are there moral absolutes when discussing war and violence?  Is there movement on the spectrum of violence and oppression and peace and pacifism?

And speaking of things that are better in theory, we introduce a new segment called Connect the Dots to close the episode. 

Conversation on War and Christianity (02:44)Connect the Dots Segment (42:33)

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CREDITS

Intro and Outro music created by Mike Golin.

 

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