The Cinematologists Podcast
The Cinematologists Podcast

The Cinematologists Podcast

Dario Llinares & Prof. Neil Fox

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Film academics Dr Dario Llinares and Prof. Neil Fox discuss a range of films and dissect film culture from many different perspectives. The podcast also features interviews with filmmakers, scholars, writers and actors who debate all aspects of cinema.

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Bonus Episode - Evoking The Cinematic in Sorry, Baby and Nickel Boys
NOV 26, 2025
Bonus Episode - Evoking The Cinematic in Sorry, Baby and Nickel Boys
This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit <a href="https://dariollinares.substack.com?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_7">dariollinares.substack.com</a><br/><br/><p>The notion of <strong>the cinematic</strong> is an oft-floated term: a kind of critical get-out clause for when a writer (or speaker) wants to register approval without getting pinned down. It lets you gesture beyond the prosaic, narrative, structure, even aesthetics (too easily reduced to “mere beauty”), towards something supposedly larger and more complex to define.</p><p><em>Ci…</em></p>
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Culture & Creativity w/ Gwenno
NOV 25, 2025
Culture & Creativity w/ Gwenno
<p>Gwenno, on the set of her short film, <em>Tresor </em>(2022) [Copyright: Bosena / Alex Fish]</p><p>We have the perfect theme song for our podcast, courtesy of the musician, artist and writer Gwenno. In Bristol in September, for the Encounters film festival, Neil took some time to chat to Gwenno at length about culture, social media, memory, capitalism and community, to put on [tape] some shared thoughts about life and art, before the podcast winds down. </p><p>Even before writing and recording the theme tune to the Cinematologists - available to purchase and stream <a target="_blank" href="https://music.apple.com/gb/album/theme-from-the-cinematologists-single/1533935226">here</a> - Gwenno was a friend of the show, and Neil wanted to give listeners the chance to hear from someone whose ideas and approaches to the making and absorbing of art have come to inspire and challenge his own. He also just really likes talking to her, and wanted podcast listeners to experience that pleasure also. </p><p>Around that central conversation, inspired by it, Neil and Dario get into it about intersections of art and culture as they frequently do, plus challenges faced by contemporary youth, the critical engagement of students with the film industry, the quest for artistic authenticity, and the evolving nature of countercultures in the digital age. The conversation also touches on the impact of technology on creativity, the role of education in fostering cultural exploration, and reflections on historical subcultures like rave culture. </p><p>Thanks to Maddie at Watershed in Bristol for providing a space to record during the Encounters Film Festival. </p><p>Gwenno is currently touring and if she’s near you, you should go and see her, she’s an incredible live performer. This episode also features her songs ‘Tresor’<em>, </em>from the album and film of the same name, from 2022, and available to buy <a target="_blank" href="https://gwenno.bandcamp.com/album/tresor">here</a>, and ‘St Ives New School’<em>, </em>from this year’s brilliant record <em>Utopia, </em>which you can buy <a target="_blank" href="https://gwenno.bandcamp.com/album/utopia">here</a>. </p><p>———</p><p>Visit our Patreon at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.patreon.com/cinematologists">www.patreon.com/cinematologists</a></p><p>———</p><p>You can listen to The Cinematologists for free, wherever you listen to podcasts: <a target="_blank" href="https://podfollow.com/the-cinematologists-podcast">click here to follow</a>.</p><p>We really appreciate any reviews you might write (please send us what you have written and we’ll mention it) and sharing on Social Media is the lifeblood of the podcast, so please do that if you enjoy the show.</p><p>———</p><p>Music Credits:</p><p>‘Theme from The Cinematologists’</p><p>Written and produced by Gwenno Saunders. Mixed by Rhys Edwards. Drums, bass & guitar by Rhys Edwards. All synths by Gwenno Saunders. Published by Downtown Music Publishing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://dariollinares.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">dariollinares.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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David Lynch's Lost Highway (featuring director Mark Jenkin)
NOV 5, 2025
David Lynch's Lost Highway (featuring director Mark Jenkin)
<p>As always on The Cinematologists podcast, we like to address topics of salience, but in our own way and in our own time. The death of David Lynch left an irreplaceable hole in the fabric of cinema and, rightly, prompted immediate tributes from collaborators, as well as countless reflections on his status as an artist and filmmaker.</p><p>The spectre of his influence has found its way into many episodes over the years: Scott Tanner Jones discussing Lynch’s impact in <a target="_blank" href="https://open.substack.com/pub/dariollinares/p/thinking-through-physical-media-wscott-eea?r=1phduq&#38;utm_campaign=post&#38;utm_medium=web&#38;showWelcomeOnShare=false">this episode on Physical Media</a>, also in <a target="_blank" href="https://open.substack.com/pub/dariollinares/p/the-beast-wwriter-director-bertrand-a35?r=1phduq&#38;utm_campaign=post&#38;utm_medium=web&#38;showWelcomeOnShare=false">Neil’s conversation with Bertrand Bonello on </a><a target="_blank" href="https://open.substack.com/pub/dariollinares/p/the-beast-wwriter-director-bertrand-a35?r=1phduq&#38;utm_campaign=post&#38;utm_medium=web&#38;showWelcomeOnShare=false"><em>The Beast</em></a>, and in <a target="_blank" href="https://open.substack.com/pub/dariollinares/p/michel-chion-in-conversation-part-215?r=1phduq&#38;utm_campaign=post&#38;utm_medium=web&#38;showWelcomeOnShare=false">my conversation with Michel Chion</a>, and has been referenced in numerous others. This was the third screening in Mark’s unofficial L.A. trilogy with us, following <em>Big Wednesday</em> and <em>The Doors</em>.</p><p><em>Lost Highway</em> has always existed at the edge of even Lynch’s already strange filmography. Critically dismissed at the time and commercially ignored (like most of Lynch’s work), it is now seen by many as the beginning of his late “L.A. Trilogy,” preceding <em>Mulholland Drive</em> and <em>Inland Empire</em>. For both Neil and Mark, this film is personal, formative, and endlessly rewatchable—precisely because it resists resolution.</p><p>Set in a murky Los Angeles that exists halfway between industrial hellscape and erotic fever dream, <em>Lost Highway</em> is a Möbius strip of a movie, beginning where it ends, and unravelling its characters and its viewers alike. It conjures its mood not just through narrative but through textures: light, shadow, analogue tape, blown-out industrial soundscapes, and those unnameable feelings that reverberate long after the final frame.</p><p>The conversation is as engaging and in-depth as you’d expect, with Mark, Neil and the audience at Newlyn in top form. <strong>Key themes discussed include:</strong></p><p>* <strong>Lynch and memory’s strange register:</strong>Mark reflects on how Lynch’s films live in a different kind of memory register than most; more a series of fleeting snapshots than the coherence of active recall. Because of that, every viewing reveals new aspects; haunting fragments displace and rearrange entire subplots that had taken hold in the subconscious. In that sense, we consider Lynch’s cinema as a form of recursive hauntology.</p><p>* <strong>The loop as trap (road to road):</strong>From the very first shot of that endless road to the repetition of sounds and visuals at the film’s end, Mark explores <em>Lost Highway</em> as a recursive loop that traps its characters in a fugue state of guilt, desire, and dissociation.</p><p>* <strong>Structural ouroboros and influence:</strong>This structural ouroboros recalls the severed ear in <em>Blue Velvet</em>, or the rabbit-hole narrative of <em>Mulholland Drive</em>. For Mark, as a filmmaker, this formal approach is profoundly influential to his own sense of cinematic composition, time and narrative fracture.</p><p>* <strong>Sexual jealousy and the violence of looking:</strong>The film’s narrative is anchored in the protagonist’s feelings of inadequacy, paranoia, and desire. The Mystery Man, played with uncanny chill by Robert Blake, becomes a vessel for projecting disowned guilt and dissociation.</p><p>* <strong>Hollywood as a transformation machine:</strong>Patricia Arquette’s double role, and the thematic through-line of transformation (from Fred to Pete; from brunette to blonde), prompt a reading of the film as a noir dream of Hollywood, where people are consumed, remade, and destroyed by the gaze.</p><p>* <strong>Sound as cinema:</strong>A recurring motif across the discussion is Lynch’s sonic world-building. Angelo Badalamenti’s score, Barry Adamson’s textures, and contributions from Nine Inch Nails, Rammstein, David Bowie, and Marilyn Manson shape the film’s contours. It’s a work felt not just through images but through air movement and industrial pressure waves.</p><p>* <strong>A sense of closure:</strong>Neil and Mark discuss the finality of Lynch’s oeuvre. “Everything is set now,” Mark says of the filmography. “There will be no more work from him. You watch it now in the context of a finished body of work, rather than imagining what he might do next.” Neil ends the episode quoting from Pier Paolo Pasolini’s reflections on the Long Take in Cinema and Life, which felt apt.</p><p>Neil and I continue the conversation around the central tension of the episode: how—or even whether—we’re supposed to “understand” <em>Lost Highway</em>. I reference <a target="_blank" href="https://film3410.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/buckland-making-sense-of-lost-highway.pdf">Warren Buckland’s analysis of the film as a “puzzle film”</a>: one whose clues scramble narrative logic and deny classical causality. Viewers are caught between “flaunted gaps” (overt mysteries like the videotapes) and “suppressed gaps” (dream sequences that promise meaning but deliver obfuscation).</p><p><em>Lost Highway</em> confronts you with the truth that “nothing makes sense.” Its refusal to resolve mirrors a deeper psychological or existential unease—a thematic throughline that aligns with other so-called “vibes films” we mention, such as <em>Inherent Vice</em>, <em>Under the Silver Lake</em>, and even Cronenberg’s recent <em>The Shrouds</em>—an interesting counterpoint in grief, surveillance, and ambience. A good engagement with this idea and Lynch’s career can be found in <a target="_blank" href="https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n16/ruby-hamilton/things-go-kerflooey">Ruby’s Hamilton’s recent piece for the London Review of Books.</a></p><p>We talk about the character-swap device as Lynch tapping into a pathology of being unable to reconcile the self and the other. Lynch doesn’t just show identity breakdown; he renders it as form. The Fred–Pete body swap isn’t a mere plot twist—it’s an allegory of dissociation, repression, and the unassimilated parts of the psyche. A psychoanalytic reading points to how Lynch dramatises the internal exile of our “dark sides,” now returned as spectres, doubles, and avatars.</p><p>Another key point of discussion is the brilliance of Patricia Arquette—mesmerising in a mode that adopts and then reverses the power dynamics of the gaze. Rather than being simply the object of the male gaze, Arquette’s character weaponises it—using sexuality and performative presence to manipulate, dominate, and escape. It’s arguably an apposite post-feminist staging of power inside patriarchal mechanics. As Neil reflects, Lynch’s women are never merely passive; they are agents, even in systems built to consume them.</p><p>These are just some of the strands of discussion, but there’s much more to get your cinematic teeth into—including an ongoing bit about the appearance of <em>’Allo ’Allo!</em> actor Guy Siner. (American listeners, you may need to google that one.)</p><p>———</p><p>Visit our Patreon at <a target="_blank" href="http://www.patreon.com/cinematologists">www.patreon.com/cinematologists</a></p><p>———</p><p>You can listen to The Cinematologists for free, wherever you listen to podcasts: <a target="_blank" href="https://podfollow.com/the-cinematologists-podcast">click here to follow</a>.</p><p>We really appreciate any reviews you might write (please send us what you have written and we’ll mention it) and sharing on Social Media is the lifeblood of the podcast, so please do that if you enjoy the show.</p><p>———</p><p>Music Credits:</p><p>‘Theme from The Cinematologists’</p><p>Written and produced by Gwenno Saunders. Mixed by Rhys Edwards. Drums, bass & guitar by Rhys Edwards. All synths by Gwenno Saunders. Published by Downtown Music Publishing.</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://dariollinares.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">dariollinares.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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119 MIN
London Film Festival 2025
OCT 20, 2025
London Film Festival 2025
<p>It felt apt that Neil and I were both in London for this year’s edition of the festival. Over the years of <em>The Cinematologists</em>, we’ve covered a range of international events, always striving to capture not just our critical responses to the films, but something of the atmosphere, the resonance of the experience itself.</p><p>Living in London, I usually don’t feel that full, immersive festival bubble. There’s always the pull of everyday life at the edges. By contrast, attending an international festival abroad brings with it a heightened sense of dislocation—a kind of lived difference that reanimates the senses. That estrangement, combined with the charged intensity of being inside a self-contained epicentre of cinematic energy, somehow deepens both the viewing experience and one’s critical focus.</p><p>With Neil in town for what amounted to an extended long weekend, I resolved to pack as much into five intense days of screenings, conversations, and cinematic overload. Normally, I prefer to experience films alone, especially at festivals. The solitude seems to both sharpen my concentration in the watching itself. But after a decade of co-hosting <em>The Cinematologists</em>, Neil and I have developed an unspoken rhythm - an ease in conversation and, just as importantly, sit together in that post-screening quiet, letting the film settle before the dialogue begins.</p><p>We recorded the episode after our final screening together—François Ozon’s adaptation of Albert Camus’ <em>L’Étranger</em>. It proved an apt conclusion: gorgeously shot, restrained yet expressive, and, to my mind, remarkably faithful to the source material. Neil and I found ourselves immediately drawn into questions of form and aesthetics—recurring preoccupations on the podcast in recent years. How, and why, do filmmakers adopt particular visual modes to explore aspects of the human condition? And, more provocatively, is there an ethical contradiction in rendering violence, trauma, crisis, or poverty with beauty?</p><p>Across this year’s programme, that tension between sensuous visuality and political critique felt ever-present—a paradox that became the connective tissue of our conversations throughout the episode. Many of the films, often formally inventive and emotionally arresting, provoked questions about how cinema confronts and represents the cruel absurdities of contemporary experience, <a target="_blank" href="https://open.substack.com/pub/dariollinares/p/the-abject-absurdism-of-contemporary?r=1phduq&#38;utm_campaign=post&#38;utm_medium=web&#38;showWelcomeOnShare=false">something I’ve been preoccupied with throughout this cinematic year.</a></p><p>Ozon’s film, of course, approaches this quite literally, but for me, so many of the works we saw continued a broader trend: filmmakers striving to make sense of senselessness through audio-visual forms that both frame the social and implicate the viewer. Themes of displacement, memory, alienation, and the ethics of representation ran through much of our discussion, as did a shared sense that contemporary filmmakers are consciously reconfiguring documentary, fiction, and hybrid modes to articulate a pervasive cultural unease.</p><p>We hope you enjoy the conversation, and as usual, we welcome any comments on the films or what we say about them.</p><p><em>As always, thanks for coming back or clicking for the first time on </em><a target="_blank" href="http://dariollinares.substack.com/"><em>Contrawise</em></a><em>.</em><strong><em> </em></strong><em>If you’re here for the first time, I’m an errant academic, writing and speaking about cinema, media, and art with a philosophical approach.</em></p><p>Films discussed on the episode</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/fV3F2fkevCM"><strong><em>The Stranger</em></strong></a><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/fV3F2fkevCM"> (dir. Francois Ozon)</a></p><p>Ozon’s adaptation of Camus’ existential classic centres on Meursault, a detached and indifferent Frenchman in colonial Algeria who, weeks after his mother’s funeral, impulsively kills an unnamed Arab man on a sun-drenched beach. The subsequent trial becomes an inquiry not only into the murder but into the absurdist senselessness.</p><p>Starring the excellent Benjamin Voisin, embodying the character’s apathy, alienation, and refusal to conform to moral expectations. Shot with Ozon’s characteristically meticulous visual control, the film is gorgeously rendered—its romantic luminosity almost at odds with the bleakness of the material. In our discussion, we consider whether this sumptuous aesthetic intensifies or undermines the sense of existential ennui that lies at the heart of Camus’ seminal text.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/J9cIkNJl-GE"><strong>Kontinental ‘25</strong></a><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/J9cIkNJl-GE"> (dir. Radu Jude)</a></p><p>Perhaps the most compelling film of the festival for both of us, Kontinental 25 cements Jude’s position as one of the most innovative criticially astute filmmakers working today. Shot on an iPhone 15 in just nine days, we delve into its structure: long, single-take dialogues that blur the boundaries between satire, social critique, and observational realism. Jude’s commitment to implicating the viewer in contemporary dilemmas - homelessness, inequality, liberal guilt - is both brutal and hilarious. A masterclass in how form and ideology intertwine.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/AWokrf6yeEU"><strong><em>The Mastermind</em></strong></a><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/AWokrf6yeEU"> (dir. Kelly Reichardt)</a></p><p>Neil’s solo review of Reichardt’s latest, featuring Josh O’Connor. We’ve always loved Reichardt on the podcast; an early live event focused on <em>Old Joy </em>(2006)<em>, </em>and how her genre work and character studies are steeped in rich, observational minimalism. Neil explores how the film takes the heist genre and infuses it with her ongoing cinematic interests in economic precarity, disconnection, and quiet desperation.</p><p>It continues a fascination with the work of O’Connor for Neil too, following him finally ‘getting’ the actor in his favourite 2024 release, Alice Rohrwacher’s sublime <em>La Chimera. </em>With <em>The Mastermind, </em>Neil particularly liked how Reichardt plays with genre twists, from classic heist mode to something more reflective in terms of a character’s odyssey of reckoning on the road. Definitely a favourite from the fest, and the year as a whole.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/nF04v-ze2Yc"><strong><em>It Was Just an Accident</em></strong></a><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/nF04v-ze2Yc"> (dir. Jafar Panahi)</a></p><p>Jafar Panahi’s <em>It Was Just an Accident</em>, winner of this year’s Palme d’Or, is a deceptively simple film that unfolds into the profound. Unlike his more overtly meta-cinematic works, this is a relatively linear narrative, yet it bears all of the Iranian auteur’s hallmarks: moral tension, black humour, and an acute sense of the everyday as political theatre.</p><p>The story begins with a family driving through the Iranian countryside at night. A momentary lapse—a dog struck on a quiet road—sets in motion a chain of events that spiral into something far darker. When their car breaks down, they arrive at a remote garage run by a man named Vahid. Hearing the father’s prosthetic leg knock against the floorboards, Vahid becomes convinced he has found one of his former torturers from a prison camp where he was held blindfolded decades earlier. What follows is an unsettling, almost allegorical narrative of suspicion, revenge, and moral reckoning. Panahi transforms this familiar premise into a complex study of guilt, trauma, and retribution.</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://open.substack.com/pub/dariollinares/p/cinema-according-to-mark-jenkin?r=1phduq&#38;utm_campaign=post&#38;utm_medium=web&#38;showWelcomeOnShare=false"><strong><em>Rose of Nevada</em></strong></a><a target="_blank" href="https://open.substack.com/pub/dariollinares/p/cinema-according-to-mark-jenkin?r=1phduq&#38;utm_campaign=post&#38;utm_medium=web&#38;showWelcomeOnShare=false"> (dir. Mark Jenkin)</a></p><p>Mark Jenkin’s third feature - produced in association with Neil’s Sound/Image Cinema Lab - continues his commitment to the tactile, handmade qualities of cinema while venturing into his most expansive and narratively ambitious work to date. On the surface, <em>Rose of Nevada</em> employs a familiar conceit: two young fishermen, played by Callum Turner and George MacKay, are sent aboard a trawler that mysteriously reappears after having been lost at sea for thirty years. Once they set sail, time begins to fold in on itself, and what follows is a haunting, non-sci-fi exploration of memory, loss, and the persistence of the past.</p><p><em>Rose of Nevada</em> is, quite simply, ravishing to look at. The colours - deep, saturated, defiantly un-digital - seem to breathe with the Cornish landscape and seascape. Abstract intercuts of bark, light, water, and surface give the film a kind of expressionist pulse; images shimmer between the material and the metaphysical.</p><p>We discuss Jenkin’s characteristic approach to performance - “Bressonian deadpan” - where actors deliver lines with studied restraint, becoming cyphers for ideas and emotional undercurrents rather than expressive psychological portraits. The film feels like a confluence of Jenkin’s earlier work - <em>Bait</em>’s class-inflected regional politics and <em>Enys Men</em>’s metaphysical strangeness - now realised at a larger scale and with bolder artistic confidence. It recalls the material realism of <em>Leviathan</em> and even the mythic textures of <em>Jaws</em>, though entirely on Jenkin’s own terms.</p><p>And, I share my “I went swimming with George MacKay” anecdote.</p><p>My interview with Mark from earlier in 2025 when he had just finished editing the film.</p><p>Also mentioned in the episode</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/ajcJp8mQWEY">Singing Wings</a> (dir. Hemen Khaledi)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/YHCMQ2ynrAI">Dry Leaf </a>(dir. Alexandre Koberidze)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.stromacairns.co.uk/">The Son and The Sea</a> (dir. Stroma Cairns)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8R6DMlDtxk">After the Hunt</a> (dir. Luca Guadagnino)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/ci0Ex_lT958">Becoming Human</a> (dir. Polen Ly)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/bkX6i7pRNyU">Dreams</a> (dir. Michel Frano)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://youtu.be/l0ZzNMskxVk">With Hassan in Gaza</a> (dir. Kamal Aljafari)</p><p><a target="_blank" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWtwnae_5UI&#38;pp=ygUMUGFsZXN0aW5lIDM2">Palestine 36</a> (dir. Annemarie Jacir)</p><p>You can listen to The Cinematologists for free, wherever you listen to podcasts: <a target="_blank" href="https://podfollow.com/the-cinematologists-podcast">click here to follow</a>.</p><p>We really appreciate any reviews you might write (please send us what you have written and we’ll mention it) and sharing on Social Media is the lifeblood of the podcast, so please do that if you enjoy the show.</p><p>———</p><p>Music Credits:</p><p>‘Theme from The Cinematologists’</p><p>Written and produced by Gwenno Saunders. Mixed by Rhys Edwards. Drums, bass & guitar by Rhys Edwards. All synths by Gwenno Saunders. Published by Downtown Music Publishing.</p><p></p><p></p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. 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61 MIN
Don't Look Now and Then (w/Justin John Doherty)
OCT 17, 2025
Don't Look Now and Then (w/Justin John Doherty)
<p><em>Filming Don’t Look Now. Copyright: Peter Cassell.</em></p><p></p><p>Neil and Justin John Doherty have been friends since 1995. To mark thirty years of friendship, in the latest episode of the podcast they talk about Justin’s latest creative peak, an art-book with amazing, never seen before, behind the scenes photos and production artefacts, love letters and conversations, about his favourite film, the Julie Christie and Donald Sutherland starring, <em>Don’t Look Now. </em>The conversation starts with Neil’s reminisce of how the film has been Justin’s favourite as long as they have known each other, upon meeting at Luton Sixth Form College. </p><p>In a conversation recorded at Bristol’s Encounters<em> </em>Film Festival (Thank you to Maddy Probst at Watershed for providing us a space to talk) they discuss the film, the way the book came into being, and Justin’s approach to the form of the book, capturing as it does so beautifully in literary form, the cinematic wonder of Roeg’s Du Maurier adaptation. They also talk about the power of cinema, and art, at formative moments in life, and how the book embodies Justin’s overall creative philosophies regards space and place, proximity and welcoming people in. </p><p>Elsewhere, in their conversation recorded at the London Film Festival where they both spent time with Justin, Dario and Neil discuss the different modes of engaging with and experiencing beloved texts, having both seen Dario’s favourite (or one of) film, Godard’s <em>Pierrot le Fou </em>(1965) at the gorgeous <a target="_blank" href="https://www.institut-francais.org.uk/cinema/">Ciné Lumière</a> on a break from LFF duty. </p><p>Justin is talking about the book, and film, with Jason Wood at the BFI Library on <a target="_blank" href="https://whatson.bfi.org.uk/Online/default.asp?BOparam::WScontent::loadArticle::permalink=dont-look-now-and-then-new-writings&#38;BOparam::WScontent::loadArticle::context_id=">October 24th</a>. </p><p>You can see a lovely piece about the book by the Guardian, <a target="_blank" href="https://www.theguardian.com/film/gallery/2025/oct/01/shocking-red-behind-the-scenes-on-classic-horror-dont-look-now-in-pictures">here</a>.</p><p>And you can buy the magnificent book, <a target="_blank" href="https://dontlooknowbook.com/shop/p/dont-look-now-and-then">here</a>. A must for anyone who loves Cinema, and beautiful, obsessional tributes to Cinema.</p><p>You can listen to The Cinematologists for free, wherever you listen to podcasts: <a target="_blank" href="https://podfollow.com/the-cinematologists-podcast">click here to follow</a>.</p><p>We really appreciate any reviews you might write (please send us what you have written and we’ll mention it) and sharing on Social Media is the lifeblood of the podcast, so please do that if you enjoy the show.</p><p>———</p><p>Music Credits:</p><p>‘Theme from The Cinematologists’</p><p>Written and produced by Gwenno Saunders. Mixed by Rhys Edwards. Drums, bass & guitar by Rhys Edwards. All synths by Gwenno Saunders. Published by Downtown Music Publishing.</p><p>Recent posts on Cinema Body/Cinema Mind:</p> <br/><br/>This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://dariollinares.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">dariollinares.substack.com/subscribe</a>
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70 MIN