Relationship Coaching School Podcast

Dr. Will Van Derveer joins Jayson to discuss the uses and misuses of psychedelic drugs. He shares his background, his work in integrative psychiatry, and the limitations of conventional mental health treatments. Dr. Van Derveer also explores the therapeutic potential of ketamine, MDMA, LSD, psilocybin, and more.

Are there people who shouldn’t use psychedelics? If you’re going to use them, what are some best practices? Don’t miss this enlightening episode.

Will Van Derveer, MD is a leader in the adoption of integrative psychiatry practices globally. After discovering that his conventional psychiatric training was inadequate to answer many of the challenges facing his patients, Dr. Van Derveer began to learn how to resolve the root causes of common psychiatric problems such as depression, anxiety, and insomnia.

Dr. Van Derveer has published research on MDMA-assisted psychotherapy for PTSD and written book chapters in the fields of ketamine-assisted psychotherapy and other clinical applications of psychedelic compounds. His passion is finding effective relief from psychological suffering using a vast array of the most natural approaches possible. In addition to traditional medical training, He is a meditation instructor and has trained in shamanism, EMDR, somatic experiencing, internal family systems, cognitive behavioral therapy, and hypnosis.

Timestamps:

• 1:09 - Will's journey
• 3:24 - Limitations of conventional mental health treatments
• 14:56 - Will's journey with psychedelics
• 22:16 - Ketamine
• 27:08 - MDMA
• 31:09 - Other psychedelics
• 42:20 - Jayson's experiance with psychedelics
• 46:02 - Problems in the psychedelics scene
• 57:02 - Psychedelics as part of a long-term treatment plan
• 1:00:00 - Who does NOT benefit from psychedelics?
• 1:04:00 - Tips for using psychedelics
• 1:07:00 - Where to find Will

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Are you stuck in victimhood? Jayson breaks down how to invert the victim triangle and make the shift from victim to author. What’s the difference between blame and responsibility? Is being in the victim seat always a bad thing? Stay tuned until the end when Jayson shares one important question you should always ask your clients - and yourself.

Timestamps:

• 0:55 - The victim/drama triangle
• 5:08 - The difference between blame and responsibility
• 6:58 - Getting out of the victim seat
• 8:31 - Inverting the victim triangle
• 15:00 - Making the journey from victim to author
• 18:15 - One challenging question

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What if today were your last day on Earth? Jayson is joined by author and retired Navy SEAL Commander Mark Divine for his 3rd time on the show to discuss finding your purpose on this planet, meditation vs. psychedelics, developing mental and physical toughness, and much more. Don’t miss Mark’s exhortation for coaches at the end.

Mark Divine is a retired Navy SEAL, bestselling author, and transformative thought leader, inspiring compassion, resilience, and fortitude. His distinguished military career spanned two decades with tours in Iraq, the Middle East, and the Korean Peninsula, culminating in his retirement in as a Commander. Beyond the battlefield, Mark founded SEALFIT, where he blends Navy SEAL training with innovative mental toughness and mindfulness techniques. Through the Unbeatable Mind program he has trained thousands in his "Kokoro" whole mind system, and through the Mark Divine Courage Foundation, he aids veterans seeking post-traumatic growth. Mark holds a PhD in Global Leadership from Pepperdine University and resides in Encinitas, California, with his wife, Sandy, and Husky Mahina.

Timestamps:

• 5:15 - Horizontal vs. vertical development
• 13:04 - The importance of training your body
• 19:06 - You are not your thoughts
• 24:08 - Vertical development takes time
• 29:24 - What are you on this planet for?
• 37:39 - Don’t feed the fear wolf
• 41:05 - Meditation vs psychedelics
• 45:33 - What if today is your last day?
• 48:48 - Why coaches need to be doing the work
• 56:53 - AI in coaching

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Is it time to fire your coach or therapist? Jayson breaks it down. Do the sessions you attend feel more like coffee dates? Is your trauma going unaddressed? Have you been seeing a practitioner for years without making real progress? If you're struggling to see results, you won’t want to miss this episode.

Timestamps:

• 5:26 - Your story isn’t being challenged
• 6:35 - Sessions feel like a coffee date
• 7:36 - Therapy feels like a friendship
• 8:56 - Trauma isn’t being addressed
• 11:31 - No change is happening
• 13:13 - Uncritically siding with your story
• 15:20 - The asks are too challenging
• 17:26 - You’re not doing your homework
• 21:19 - Final thoughts

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What does it mean to follow your deepest calling? How do you get clear on what actually matters and act on it today? Jayson sits down with executive coach John O’Connor to explore what it takes to create real transformation.

They get into symbolic sovereignty, creating a clear vision, and how deep callings can emerge from deep traumas. Jayson shares what it means to earn your black belt in relationships, they discuss why music is a powerful metaphor for life, and the one skill every facilitator needs. They also talk about entanglement, and having a shared vision with your partner. Stick around for grounded insights on leadership, connection, and showing up fully to the work only you can do.
John O’Connor is an executive coach and facilitator living in Boulder, Colorado. For more than a decade, John has coached the top CEOs and leaders in hedge funds, startups, and Fortune 500 companies. John embodies a masterful level of skill to create radical transformation. His coaching path emerged out of 17 years as a massage therapist, after working through tens of thousands of bodies, he developed a deep connection and curiosity to the unconscious mind, learning how to facilitate behavioral, emotional and mental change at the deepest level. John was a co-lead facilitator at the first two Open Source Retreats that helped lay the foundation for the EVRYMAN movement. He is also a certified NLP and hypnosis trainer, a certified master coach, creator of The Access Method, and author of the upcoming book From Ordinary to Extraordinary.

Timestamps:

• 1:23 - What is your deepest calling?
• 3:49 - Stepping out of time
• 8:54 - Creating a clear vision
• 10:43 - What are the three most important things you need to do today?
• 13:19 - Symbolic sovereignty
• 32:24 - How to get your black belt in relationships
• 37:36 - Music as a metaphor for relationships
• 45:48 - Having a shared vision
• 52:42 - Deep callings can emerge from deep traumas
• 58:56 - Dealing with entanglement
• 1:04:00 - An important skill for facilitators and coaches

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